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Will YOU Save Freedom? Catch The Tea Party Wave

 

The Tea Party movement has taken the nation by storm, in spite of attempts by the media and establishment to first ignore it, then dismiss it and now use all the tools in their Alinsky toolbox against it.  Initially protesting high taxes, spending and bailouts, it is maturing into a political movement that advocates a return to a constitutional republic, fiscal prudence and restoration of liberties.

 Tea Party Threat Made Good

 

How should the Tea Party address that? Protests? Voter education? Advocacy? Evaluating public officials and candidates?  PACs?  A third party?  Turn out the vote?

 

 

 

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I agree. These clowns were supposedly were inspired by internet postings. Now, I hear they might have had a"mentor" who controlled them and the elder bro went to Russia for what might have been training. Is it a crime or act of war?  Both? Just get on with it, get info from him, convict and punish him. as a POW, he would be released at the cessation of hostilities/peace treaty. Don't hold your breath. As criminal, life imprisonment or death penalty is possible. Same as a traitor.  Using criminal procedures makes it harder to protect national security info and harder to convict him. He may get off because he talked before being Miranda'ed. Maybe they did that deliberately.

A POW?  So whenever it sounds good we can waive the rights of an American citizen as a matter of convenience.  It is or can be a very dangerous thing to allow citizens to have rights.  I don't see any gray here on whether this bomber was an  American citizen.  As such we have to do it the hard way as I am sure you would want to happen if somehow you woke up in his shoes.  The proof presented in this case is far from conclusive and much is highly suspect.  If we violate this suspects rights as an American citizen then why would we complain when our illegal president violates ours by being in office.

I agree about the handling on the younger brother but I strongly disagree that this was not Muslim driven terrorism. It would be nice to have this Administration actually admit that the War on Terror continues to be fought. Instead they deny, deny, deny!

PS The reference in the cartoon to "I got 'him'" was to Bin Laden; not the younger brother in the Boston marathon bombing.

I agree with you regarding this being Muslim terrorism.  We have to follow our own rules but there is no rule about loudly observing the Emperor has no clothes... or was that the Emperor has no clue.  Some days I just can't remember.

I like that...The Emperor Has No Clue! I think you have coined a catchy, new phrase.

Three New Things About the Tea Party

(Forwarded by Jay. They're not really new, but are being newly discovered by some. - G.M.)

There is a lot of truth in this article I think; however, one of the big failures in punditry and political theorists is their inability to see the political spectrum outside of a Clinton/Carter Reagan/Bush dichotomy. There may be very little commonality between the Senator Cruz/Paul camp and the McCain/Grahamm camp, but there is significant support "on the issues" from a broad spectrum of the polity in the center and even in the left wing of the Democratic party. The further the movement of what made up the Tea Party originally moves away from the traditional wheelhouse of the Republican party the more I think this becomes the case. Reflexively, if the Republican party wants to remain current it must adapt to this changing dynamic, not the principles which sparked the Tea Party.

http://prospect.org/article/three-new-facts-about-tea-party

IMHO, those of us who relate to Tea Party values have not changed. The Democrat Party has moved very far to the left and too much of the Republican Party is now "Democrat Lite". In the name of "compromise", "going along to get along", "political correctness", "inclusiveness", etc. the Republican Party has lost it's way. I see a persistant, deliberate Marxist influence in this, incrementally, over decades.

The Tea Party participants have said, "ENOUGH!". As a country, we've lost our way. Our founders gave us a Republic and they left us enough "breadcrumbs" to find our way back to it. There's a difference between right and wrong. There's a difference between good and evil. There's a difference between charity and fostering dependence. There's a difference between a small federal government and the looming police state. There's a difference between critical thinking and an emotional response.

It's We the People, not We the Sheeple. Tea Party members recognize the wolf at the door, demanding that we open it. Our response? "We will not comply. Period."

There is a difference between freedom and tyranny.

Harry Reid Calls Tea Partiers “Anarchists”

http://www.westernjournalism.com/harry-reid-calls-tea-partiers-anar...

 

Jack Staver is a Constitution-loving patriot activist who chairs the Northwest Georgia 912 Project, (http://www.northwestgeorgia9-12project.org/) and was co-state coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots. In 2009 he got the “fire in his belly” – things were getting too corrupt in our government. He decided to get up and do something. His group meets twice a month and discusses what is happening on the local, state and federal level, and what “we-the-people” can do to fix it.

We urgently need to get involved in our local communities and fight Common Core, Islamic Jihad, Agenda 21, and the general progression of socialism/communism that is seeping into every facet of our lives. These are dangerous times and we need to act now. Get informed and get involved. Jack Staver is a great example of an American who loves his freedom too much to watch it be taken away by the Republican and Democrat Progressives.



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IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups 

Have any doubts about whether the IRS will use its power abusively, against

anyone that might not be politically correct, or anyone that doesn't toe the

line that they decide is appropriate ????  Exactly when is the line to

Tyranny crossed?  Sure, this specific example isn't that big a deal, but it

says everything about how Federal agencies are growing and operating without

much oversight and DHS is maybe the most scary of all, with their recent

purchase of 1.2 billion bullets?

 

 

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apologizes-targeting-conservativ...

 

IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups

 

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER

- May. 10 12:29 PM EDT

 

FILE - In this Aug. 2, 2012 file photo, Internal Revenue Service (IRS)

Commissioner Douglas Shulman testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, before

the House Oversight Committee. The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately

flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012

election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS

official said Friday. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

 

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged

conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012

election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS

official said Friday.

 

Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party"

or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner,

who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups.

 

In some cases, groups were asked for their list of donors, which violates

IRS policy in most cases, she said.

 

"That was wrong. That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive and it

was inappropriate. That's not how we go about selecting cases for further

review," Lerner said at a conference sponsored by the American Bar

Association.

 

"The IRS would like to apologize for that," she added.

 

Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati

and was not motivated by political bias. After her talk, she told The AP

that no high level IRS officials knew about the practice. She did not say

when they found out.

 

About 75 groups were inappropriately targeted. None had their tax-exempt

status revoked, Lerner said.

 

Many conservative groups complained during the election that they were being

harassed by the IRS. They accused the agency of frustrating their attempts

to become tax exempt by sending them lengthy, intrusive questionnaires.

 

The forms, which the groups made available at the time, sought information

about group members' political activities, including details of their

postings on social networking websites and about family members.

 

Certain tax-exempt charitable groups can conduct political activities but it

cannot be their primary activity.

 

IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman told Congress in March 2012 that the IRS

was not targeting groups based on their political views.

 

"There's absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that

happens to people" who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman told a House

Ways and Means subcommittee.

 

Shulman was appointed by President George W. Bush. His 6-year term ended in

November. President Barack Obama has yet to nominate a successor. The agency

is now being run by acting Commissioner Steven Miller.

 

"I don't think there's any question we were unfairly targeted," said Tom

Zawistowski, who until recently was president of the Ohio Liberty Coalition,

an alliance of tea party groups in the state.

 

Zawistowski's group was among many conservative organizations that battled

the IRS over what they saw as its discriminatory treatment of their effort

to gain non-profit status. The group first applied for non-profit status in

June 2009, and it was finally granted on Dec. 7, 2012, he said - one month

after Election Day.

 

During the 2012 election, many tea party groups applied for tax-exempt

status under section 501 (c) (4) of the federal tax code, which grants

tax-exempt status to social welfare groups. Unlike other charitable groups,

these organizations are allowed to participate in political activities but

their primary activity must be social welfare.

 

That determination is up to the IRS.

 

Lerner said the number of groups filing for this tax-exempt status more than

doubled from 2010 to 2012, to more than 3,400. To handle the influx, the IRS

centralized its review of these applications in an office in Cincinnati.

 

Lerner said this was done to develop expertise among staffers and

consistency in their reviews. As part of the review, staffers look for signs

that groups are participating in political activity. If so, IRS agents take

a closer look to make sure that politics isn't the group's primary activity,

Lerner said.

 

As part of this process, agents in Cincinnati came up with a list of things

to look for in an application. As part of the list, they included the words,

"tea party" and "patriot," Lerner said.

 

"It's the line people that did it without talking to managers," Lerner.

"They're IRS workers, they're revenue agents."

 

In all, about 300 groups were singled out for additional review, Lerner

said. Of those, about a quarter were singled out because they had "tea

party" or "patriot" somewhere in their applications.

 

Lerner said 150 of the cases have been closed and no group had its

tax-exempt status revoked, though some withdrew their applications.

 

Tea Party groups weren't buying the idea that the decision to target them

was solely the responsibility of low-level IRS workers.

 

"It is suspicious that the activity of these 'low-level workers' was unknown

to IRS leadership at the time it occurred," said Jenny Beth Martin, national

coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, which describes itself as the nation's

largest tea party organization. "President Obama must also apologize for his

administration ignoring repeated complaints by these broad grassroots

organizations of harassment by the IRS in 2012, and make concrete and

transparent steps today to ensure this never happens again."

 

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