Open Mike

[Ventura Patriot]

  

By popular demand, we created this forum to cover almost any topic your heart desires.  The Forum name, "Open Mike" refers to the tradition that some comedy and music clubs have of offering all comers the opportunity to perform live impromptu at their establishments, with any material they come up with that is consistent with the theme and policies of that organization (in our case, the Mission statement in "Read Me" section), We'll even consider stuff not consistent, if you can persuade us that changes are needed.

 

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[Don W]

Steve King Nails Grover on Immigration

Steve King

Republican Party power broker Grover Norquist backs the Senate’s Shamnesty Bill. Iowa Congressman Steve King opposes it. Norquist has been criticizing King for his principled stand for the rule of law and border integrity.

Steve King doesn’t take that sort of crap lying down.

“The members who are standing up and opposing amnesty are the ones who are keeping their oath of office and adhering to the rule of law — and they understand what happens in a civilization if you reward people for breaking the law, you get more lawbreakers…”

More broadly, the congressman says the immigration debate has created three groups of supporters in the United States.

“First, there are the elitists,” King begins. “Elitists see that they should have access to cheap labor to clean their homes, mow their lawns, and take care of their gardens. The second group is Democratic power brokers. They see a tremendous advantage to the Democratic Party that turns us into a one-party system if they do what they’re trying to do with the Gang of Eight bill in the Senate.

“And the third group is those employers of illegals who benefit from cheap labor at the expense of the taxpayers who are subsidizing them through welfare programs. If you want to support the elitists or Democratic powerbrokers or employers of illegal labor, then support of the Gang of Eight, listen to Grover, listen to Karl Rove,” King says, referring to the GOP strategist, who also supports immigration reform.

“If you want to defend the Constitution, the rule of law, and preserve a better destiny for the United States of America — where individuals can make a living with their hands, their backs, their minds, standing on their own two feet — then stand with me.”

Its people like Steve King who make the GOP worth saving from its near terminal idiocy.

There is something about Grover Norquist that is hidden and is very very evil.  Time will tell.

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May 3, 2012

Trayvon and Zimmerman: The Structure and Elements of a Disinformation Campaign

By Scott Swett

 

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/trayvon_and_zimmerman_the_st...

[Ventura Patriot]

Political leanings

X, who happens to be a good friend, raises very important questions that we often fail to answer, mostly because most of us simply can't. This is because there are 2 kinds of true conservatives:

1--the kind who have been brought up to believe in a rigid conservative ideology, whose instincts tell them they are right but who have no idea why or how to defend it. This group is hard put to articulate its ideas and hence often reacts with anger to the Left and to 'moderates.' They expect them to understand common sense, and in a perfect world, they would. (They don't understand the spiritual block against understanding).

2--the kind who have thought things through and can answer the questions of the Left and the 'moderates' who are deceived by the Left.

I strive to belong to the latter group. Lord forgive me where I have failed, but I try. Here is my response to the X's question as to why moderates are different from conservatives.

 

Dear X,

I think the main reason for the difference is that moderate conservatives don't see the 'continental drift' of popular social and political thought in recent years. They have no idea what cultural Marxism is and they can't see how they are manipulated by the msm. After all, has anyone noticed the physical drift in the American continent in their lifetime? It is too minuscule to notice. Only a scientist can verify its existence. By the same token, most people could not possibly notice how the nation's definition of 'conservative' has been stealthily altered by sly operatives in msm, 'education,' politics, Hollywood, academe, etc.

In particular, they don't understand that a group of white billionaire elitist men is trying to grab the reins of the planet. To them that is just too outlandish to wrap their minds around. That is why they still insist that Bush, an advocate of a borderless US (NAU), of amnesty for the lawless, of the bailout of banks with your money and mine, and of Middle East wars that result in the death and exodus of millions of Christians, is aconservative.

It is all a matter of perception, and of our willingness to face truth head-on rather than simply to dodge the more thorny issues. More importantly, it is a spiritual question and they are spiritually blind.

Ironically, the most powerful apologists for Judeo-Christianity are the atheist-humanist transnational elitiststhemselves.

They saw their attempts to obliterate Christianity via the promulgation of agnostic humanism fail. So they turned to another ideology, namely, Islam.

Now please note well that if they were attempting to eliminate religion per se, and if they really saw Christianity as antagonistic to humanist ideals, then they would never have turned their attention to Islam, a much more rigid ideology that could never coexist with humanism. But, amazingly, their target was not religion and their goal was not to promulgate humanistic ideology. It was specifically toeliminate Christianity and its precursor Orthodox Judaism. Thus their motivation is spiritual and they actually operate on a spiritual plane situated out of reach, a fact that almost no one sees, neither on the Right nor on the Left nor anywhere in between. The vast majority of Christians also fail to grasp this fact and its profound implications for us all. To their peril.

Times have not changed since Christ debated with the rulers of the synagogues. Today's elites are the true spiritual heirs of his antagonists. Their ultimate fate is recorded in the book they reject. No wonder they strive with every ounce of their strength to eliminate it and its followers.

Nothing ever changes. Plus ça change,...

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Ephesians 6:12

Don Hank

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From:X

To: Don and Zoila Hank

Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:26 AM

Subject: Political leanings

Don,
 
Interestingly, I am at the same time and with the same views, seen as an extreme conservative on Facebook (with a lot of HS classmates - Lancaster County born and raised, and some relatives e.g. Rich and Jessie who are equally conservative);  in the mainstream relative to a group of consulting colleagues (retired and active) that I stay in touch with;  but I believe for your distribution, I am viewed as a liberal (Rino, neocon, etc) and the same as the Democrats.  I used to think (actually still do) that being in the mainstream (fiscally conservative, socially moderate) is the most populous group and primarily Republican but also inclusive of the disappearing conservative democrats in the south, and that either ultra liberal or ultra conservative extremists were/are in the minority.  Further, I still see a big difference in points of view between Democrats and Republicans - especially at the central tendency of beliefs.   However, I find it interesting that you and apparently a majority of your readers do not see a difference.  Extreme liberals on the other hand see a huge difference.   I wonder why that is?
 
Perceptions become reality I guess, but interesting how perceptions vary so widely on the same issues.  
 
All for now.  A work day!
 
X

[Ventura Patriot]

Current situation analysis.....

  
Part I

 

I have a four part plan to fix our Country:
  
1.  Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry  men.
  
2.  Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.
  
3.  Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.
  
4.  In three generations, there will be no Democrats!
  
I love it when a plan comes together!

      
Part II

 

Ten (10) Poorest Cities in America and how it happened.
 
City, State and % of People Below the Property Level 
 
1. Detroit, MI          32.5%  
2. Buffalo, NY          29.9%  
3. Cincinnati, OH     27.8%  
4. Cleveland, OH     27.0%  
5. Miami, FL            26.9%  
6. St. Louis, MO       26.8%  
7. El Paso, TX          26.4%  
8. Milwaukee, WI    26.2%  
9. Philadelphia, PA   25.1%  
10. Newark, NJ        24.2%  
  
  
What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?
  
Detroit, MI
( 1st on the poverty rate list )
Hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961
  
Buffalo, NY - ( 2nd )
Hasn't elected one since 1954
  
Cincinnati, OH - ( 3rd )
Hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984
  
Cleveland, OH - ( 4th )
Hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989
  
Miami, FL - ( 5th )
Has never had a Republican mayor
  
St. Louis, MO - ( 6th )
Hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949
  
El Paso, TX - ( 7th )
Has never had a Republican mayor
  
Milwaukee, WI - ( 8th )
Hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908
 
Philadelphia, PA - ( 9th )
Hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952
 
Newark,  NJ - ( 10th )
Hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907
 
It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats...
Yet they are still POOR.
  
  
Part III
  
"You  cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You  cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. 
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.".....Abraham Lincoln

[Ventura Patriot]

Oklahoma is the only state that Obama did not win even one county in the last election... While everyone is focusing on Arizona’s new law, look what Oklahoma has been doing!!!!

An update from Oklahoma:

Oklahoma law passed, 37 to 9 an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values! HB 1330 Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Oklahoma recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. HB 1804. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake.Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Recently we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegal's to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional SB 1102Guess what......... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. Joining Texas, Montana and Utah as the only states to do so.More states are likely to follow: Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, Mississippi and Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. HJR 1003

The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a setback for the criminals The Liberals didn't like it -- But....Guess what........... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Just this month, the state has voted and passed a law that ALL drivers’ license exams will be printed in English, and only English, and no other language. They have been called racist for doing this, but the fact is that ALL of the road signs are in English only. If you want to drive in Oklahoma, you must read and write English. Really simple.

By the way, the Liberals don't like any of this eitherGuess what...who cares... Oklahoma is doing it anyway.

If you like it, pass it on, if you don't then delete it...ThanksGuess what: the people I'm sending this to will send it on. Well, at least the ones who love and believe in freedom will.

[Ventura Patriot]

Can it work for you, too?

Your Tax $$ in Action: Charles Manson’s Turning Point: Dale Carnegi...

by Stephen Frank on 07/29/2013

Charlie Manson is a mass murderer.  He was given the death penalty, but the Jerry Brown appointed Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Rose Bird saved his life—for her troubles the people of California thanked her by Recalling her from office.  Jerry Brown got to be Governor again for keeping this vicious, sick person alive.

What made him such a nice, caring, people person?  The Federal taxpayers back in 1957.

“In his new book, Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson, author Jeff Guinn credits Carnegie training with transforming Manson from “a low-level pimp” to the “frighteningly effective sociopath” who created a cult of killers in the late 1960s. Manson took classes in “How to Win Friends and Influence People,” based on Carnegie’s iconic book, while doing time for car theft in a California federal prison in 1957. ”It was critical in shaping how he manipulated people,” says Guinn, noting that the young convict told people he’d enrolled to get strangers to open up to him.

Thought you should know this tidbit of history.

See the full story by clicking on the blue headline

[Don W]

 The IRS Never Stopped They're STILL TARGETING THE TEAPARTY!!!

Arrogance, its the only way to explain it. Three months ago we first found out that the IRS had been targeting teaparty and other conservative organizations, today we found out despite the anger and protests from both sides of the aisle the IRS is still targeting conservative organizations.

The  House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp revealed today that an agent involved in reviewing tax exempt applications from conservative groups told a committee investigator that the agency is still targeting Tea Party groups.

    In closed door testimony before the House Ways & Means Committee, the unidentified IRS agent said requests for special tax status from Tea Party groups is being forced into a special "secondary screening" because the agency has yet to come up with new guidance on how to judge the tax status of the groups.

    In a transcript from the committee provided to Secrets, a Ways & Means investigator asked: "If you saw -- I am asking this currently, if today if a Tea Party case, a group -- a case from a Tea Party group came in to your desk, you reviewed the file and there was no evidence of political activity, would you potentially approve that case? Is that something you would do?"

    The agent said, "At this point I would send it to secondary screening, political advocacy."

    The committee staffer then said, "So you would treat a Tea Party group as a political advocacy case even if there was no evidence of political activity on the application. Is that right?" The agent admitted, "Based on my current manager's direction, uh-huh."

    Camp called the renewed targeting of Tea Party groups "outrageous."

    Added a committee aide, "In plain English, the IRS is still targeting Tea Party cases."

Below is the Ways & Means Committee transcript of the IRS official.

    Wednesday, August 1, 2013

    Committee: Today, currently, how do you analyze advocacy cases. If, for example, Tea Party of Arkansas came in today, how would you handle it?

    IRS agent: Well, the BOLO list doesn't exist anymore.

    Committee: Sure.

    IRS: If a political advocacy case came in today, I would give it -- or talk about it to my manager because right now we really don't have any direction or we haven't had any for the last month and a half.

    Committee: If you saw -- I am asking this currently, if today if a Tea Party case, a group -- a case from a Tea Party group came in to your desk, you reviewed the file and there was no evidence of political activity, would you potentially approve that case? Is that something you would do?

    IRS agent: At this point I would send it to secondary screening, political advocacy.

    Committee: So you would treat a Tea Party group as a political advocacy case even if there was no evidence of political activity on the application. Is that right?

    IRS agent: Based on my current manager's direction, uh-huh.

Don't these folks in the Obama Administration ever Learn??? Are they too disorganized to change the policy?? Are they too arrogant to realize the problem exists, or do they just don't care? It's inconceivable that three months have passed and the IRS is still acting as a political tool for this president.

Source Washington Examiner

By Jeff Dunetz

[Don W]

MARK LEVIN says Senators are dead wrong, we need to QUADRUPLE funding to Egypt

This is a fantastic clip.

Mark Levin opened his show yesterday talking about how Christians are under heavy attack by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and made the case for increasing funding to Egypt to help the Egyptian Army take out the Muslim Brotherhood. He said his conservative/libertarian friends in the Senate, who are arguing we should stop funding to Egypt, are dead wrong.

He also showed how, once again, the Obama administration are on the wrong side of the fight with countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel ‘rooting’ for the Egyptian Army.

Listen:


http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-says-senators-are-wrong-we-need...

[Ventura Patriot]

Well, at least sometimes I agree with Mark levin, but not about Article V convention or "Obama" eligibility-- or Cruz eligibility.

[Don W]

Even MoveOn dot ORG has taken an American stand!

(Wed, Sep 04, 2013 10:03 PM)

Dear MoveOn member, 

Yesterday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee began debating whether to authorize the use of military force in Syria in response to reports of chemical weapons use by the Syrian government.¹

Because this is such a big decision, we asked every MoveOn member to weigh in on whether MoveOn should support or oppose the congressional authorization to use military force in Syria.

The results are in, and they are unequivocal: 

73% said MoveOn should oppose the congressional Authorization to Use Military Force in Syria.

History has shown again and again that even a "limited" military engagement can quickly become a slippery slope to seemingly endless war. But stopping this war is within reach.

Consistent polling shows that the majority of Americans are opposed to this military intervention, and more than 147 members of Congress are on record as firmly opposed to or leaning against it.² But mainstream media outlets and many elected officials are trying hard to make us think that strikes are inevitable.³

So we need to unleash the power of our more than 8 million member community right away to make it clear to Congress that we oppose military action in Syria. Congress will vote on the authorization to use military force as soon as next week, and members of Congress are making up their minds right now, so we need to act fact.

Can you call your Senators and Representative right now and tell them to 'Vote No' on the use of military force in Syria? Here are the numbers to call:

Senator Barbara Boxer
Phone: [phone]

Senator Dianne Feinstein
Phone: [phone]

Representative Julia Brownley
Phone: [phone]

Then, please report your calls by clicking here. 

MoveOn members across the country have been sharing thousands of reasons for voting to oppose the authorization for the use of military force. Here are a few comments that capture some common themes we're hearing: 

"There is no evidence that the use of force by the US will prevent any further attacks in Syria and it may lead to yet another quagmire in the Middle East."  -Neema B., San Diego, CA

"Although I am adamantly opposed to chemical warfare, military strikes used as a 'lesson' to change this behavior could kill many innocent people as well—children among them."—Fran S., Houston, TX

''It is very unclear what military force would accomplish other than to insert more violence. It seems this authorization is more political than strategic and will not result in a positive outcome. Enough violence!"—Amir R., South Natick, MA

In the early 2000s, MoveOn members helped lead the charge in opposing the misguided U.S. war on Iraq. Now, just over a decade later, the nation again finds itself positioned to enter a war half-way around the world with a country posing no direct threat to our safety or security and with unknowable consequences for years to come. 

President Obama is proposing a military strike that raises the specter of another Iraq War—and we're still dealing with the costs of that war today. It's critical that every one of MoveOn's 8 million members pick up their phones today to let Congress know plain and simple: We oppose a military intervention in Syria. 

Can you call your members of Congress right now? When you do, be sure to tell them why it's so important for you that they vote 'No' on an Authorization to Use Military Force in Syria. Here are the numbers to call again:

Senator Barbara Boxer
Phone: [phone]

Senator Dianne Feinstein
Phone: [phone]

Representative Julia Brownley
Phone: [phone]

Then, please report your calls by clicking here. 

Thanks for all you do. 

–Anna, Mark, Susannah, Linda, and the rest of the team

Source:

1. "Obama says U.S. will take military action against Syria, pending Congress's approval," The Washington Post, August 31, 2013
http://www.moveon.org/r/?r=293097&id=74381-1240766-SgJ0BPx&t=4

2. "Whip Count: Tracking Congressional Support for War With Syria," Firedoglake, September 4, 2013
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=293124&id=74381-1240766-SgJ0BPx&t=5

3. "The American People Really Don't Want To Bomb Syria (POLLS)," The Huffington Post, September 3, 2013
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=293121&id=74381-1240766-SgJ0BPx&t=6

[Don W]

Islam Captures LAPD

 

NYPD and LAPD Divided by The Nation of Islam

 

By Bob Michael
LAPD Police Detective Capt. (Ret)

 

(Below is a copy of a letter I sent for publication in our LAPD police officer association’s monthly paper, The Thin Blue Line. I have had prior papers published. This was denied by dodging, not answering emails or telephones, and finally the female editor / police officer said she would have to check with the association attorney; this was in November 2011. This letter was never published and I have never heard from anyone at the association.)

 

I am a retired Los Angeles Police Department captain. During my career, and subsequently, I was proud of the Department’s long held positions of neutrality in politics and religion, and tough on crime and criminals, notwithstanding the onslaught of the ACLU and the media to reverse those positions. I have moved on to other areas of interest such as the Bolsheviks in America and the march of Islam right behind it.

 

I was shocked a couple of months ago to see and hear an LAPD Deputy Chief of Police (who had served as the LAPD Interim Chief of Police in 2009) speaking as an apologist and LAPD representative for The Muslim Brotherhood and Muslim Students Association. To make matters worse, this Deputy Chief – Michael Downing – is the Commanding Officer of LAPD’s Counter-Terrorism and Special Operations Bureau. The Bureau has a 300 officer intelligence division, which includes the Anti-Terrorist Intelligence Section.

 

 

LAPD’s Michael Downing

 

 

Downing’s biographical information I set out here comes from the Los Angeles Police Department website. It shows his deep involvement with Islam, and it makes his pro-Islam positions even more worrisome.

 

Downing has testified before Congressional subcommittees relative to intelligence, homeland security, and information sharing. In April 2010, Downing served as a member of the Department of Homeland Security Advisory Council working group on developing a national strategy for countering violent extremism.

 

As of May 2010, Chief Downing was elected the President of the Leadership in Counter-Terrorism (LinCT) Alumni Association. This association is working with alumni from the FBI’s LinCT Program to develop a global enterprise of networked counter-terrorism practitioners from the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Downing has also worked with the Department of Justice to transition large national police organizations into democratic civilian policing models. One of those countries was Turkey.

 

At the time of this writing he held the position of a senior fellow at the George Washington University Homeland Security Institute and is a member of the Executive Board of the Los Angeles Joint Regional Intelligence Center.

 

He works closely with the Islamic Center of Southern California and testifies before Congress regarding terrorism, while consulting with Homeland Security as a George Washington fellow.

 

Deputy Chief Downing had a problem in 2005 concerning his involvement with a Church of Scientology related group. The group had printed booklets for school children which included writings of L. Ron Hubbard, the Scientology founder. Hollywood Area Commanding Officer (Captain at the time) Downing reportedly had LAPD officers of his command dispensing the literature in the Hollywood Area command to youth.

 

When the distribution and alleged letter of commendation from the LA Chief of Police signed by Downing became public (posted on a web site), Downing reportedly stated,

“We cannot endorse the Church of Scientology or any religion as the LAPD…”

Downing is quoted in a newspaper as saying the commendation and posting was fraudulent.

A high level Scientology spokesperson stated,

“Michael Downing has appeared at events for us and spoken very highly of the work we do. As far as I know, the letter was generated and sent by him and I have the original hanging on my wall here. It looks like a real signature to me. I am not aware of any public agency inquiry into the matter (which should certainly have been expected).”

I referred to the issue of Scientology, and Downing’s involvement, as a known forerunner of his activities involving LAPD and Islam. Downing stated in 2005 that LAPD could not endorse ANY religion. Few would doubt that Islam is a religion. Downing does not doubt that because he says in a video that “We” are announcing a grant to train Imams. Is “We” LAPD, or is Downing speaking for a religion, Islam?

 

Scientology deserves no comparison here, except for the presence of Downing.

 

Downing is the Muslim face of LAPD. He appears regularly with various terrorist-related Muslims and at Muslim functions such as the Islamic Center of Southern California and the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC). Downing can be seen in smiling and friendly handshake photos with MPAC Executive Director Salam Al-Marayati, a supporter of Hezbollah and Hamas, and with Dr. Mustafa Al-Barghouti known as an anti-Israeli zealot.

 

The MPAC Executive Director has also categorized the Hezbollah terrorist attack which killed 241 US Marines, as ‘a military operation.’ Al-Marayati has made hundreds of statements which defend terrorists and their acts, and regularly utters anti-American positions.

 

Al-Marayati brought Al-Barghouti for a fundraising event, purportedly intended to aid Palestinian supposed medical needs. Barghouti is a leader of the Palestinian People’s Party (PPP), a Communist movement that collaborated in 2006 with the DFLP (Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine), a Marxist-Leninist terrorist organization that has carried out a number of shooting attacks against Israeli targets, including a 2001 attack on a military base in Gaza that killed three Israeli soldiers and wounded seven others.

 

I am sorry to say that the Los Angeles Police Department has chosen a path which can only lead to (1) a diminution of its image as a quality law enforcement agency, (2) its support for Muslims who have killed LAPD officers defending this country overseas, and (3) itself becoming a part of a serious threat to the very existence of our great country. In the past, during my time with the Department from the 1960s to the 1980s, we were able to identify the good from the bad. We worked hard to be apolitical and to avoid the agency being entangled in religious battles. We avoided even the appearance of evil. How far we have come, and how blind we have become, to have abandoned those wise positions we worked so hard to accomplish, and maintain.

 

I have spent a good deal of time academically and empirically over the last several years, studying the two great threats to America. The first threat is Bolshevism, on which I have published a book which sells on Amazon. I won’t name it because I don’t want this to be a commercial message. The second area of even a greater threat, ultimately, is Islamization of America. It is this issue which brings me here, including the Department going so far out-of-bounds in an effort to support the fronts for Islam.

 

I do not intend this to be a legal brief. It matters little which side you are on, and the evidence to offer in opposition from either side. My point is that for the Department to have a K-9 in the fight at all, makes a serious and far-reaching dangerous mistake. The point is that there is a debate of a serious nature; not so much about Islam, but the fronts for Islam in America.

 

I did not raise this issue first. Deputy Chief Michael Downing, in a presentation at the Islamic Center of Southern California (ICSC) on May 15, 2011, spoke as, what I would call, a clear apologist for the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) and the Muslim Students Association (MSA) (See the May 15, 2011 YouTube video). The video is invaluable in recognizing the inroads of Islam into LA County law enforcement. Recognition is given to Tom Trento of United West.org.

 

Many, many very prominent and knowledgeable people with impeccable credentials and actual experience with these organizations have a very different view of them than Downing’s apologetics.

 

Let me set out right here a very short statement on the MB. It was founded in Egypt by Hasan Al-Banna in 1928. The Brotherhood’s original mission was to Islamize society through promotion of Islamic law, values, and morals. An Islamic revivalist movement from its early days, it has combined religion, political activism, and social welfare in its work. It adopted the slogan, “Islam is the solution and jihad is our way.”

 

Establishing an Islamic state based on sharia is today at the center of the Muslim Brotherhood’s ideology, both in Egypt and among the group’s many offshoots abroad. Downing says the MSA is an offshoot.

 

I viewed Downing’s very impressive bio with a reservation that bios are bios, and accrual of real expertise can be very different. Most LAPD officers know that what makes a command staff officer is more often than not very different from what makes a good line officer, or intelligence officer, or supervisor. What Downing said at the ICSC can only be for one of two reasons, and neither will be offered here, as neither is admirable.

 

One standout in Downing’s bio is a stint of eight weeks working (?) with the New Scotland Yard’s Metropolitan Police Counter-Terrorism Command SO 15. Certainly Great Britain has little virtue in dealing with the British Muslim Brotherhood. And the published Islamic Muslim Manifesto by British Muslims is certainly not pro-British. Great Britain now has granted Islamic sharia law authority within its borders. At the same time it has chosen to move to forbid Christians from wearing a cross while at work.

 

Islam is, according to its founding documents, against virtually every aspect of the U.S. Constitution, and everything that every American patriot holds dear. Islam is most certainly anti-American, and for LAPD to support it is beyond understanding; and beyond political correctness.

 

Let me make it clear that you can go to many organizations such as the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), the MB, the MSA, as well as the local Imam, academics, educators, a pastor, or even a Rabbi, and find them speaking highly of Islam. MB is widely considered the world’s most influential Islamist organization, with numerous branches and affiliates. It is called “the mother of all Islamist movements”. That is one side.

 

The other side, which sees Islam as a force which is bent on world conquest, will be represented by former Islamic terrorists, former members of Hamas, federal prosecutors, NYPD intelligence personnel, former knowledgeable FBI agents, Islamic historians, Mohammed, the Qur’an, the Haddith, and many other Islamic sources themselves.

 

There are many specific persons and actions that could be listed, but for some brevity let me list the larger picture for MB.

 

Muslim Brotherhood is a global, not a local organization, governed by a Shurah (Consultative) Council, which rejects cessation of violence in Israel, and supports violence to achieve its political objectives elsewhere, too. Islam is global and all Muslims are members of the Ummah; or Ummah Islamiyyah, the Islamic Community, which comprises all Muslims throughout the world. This concept is similar to Marxism, which is international, and not nationally based.

 

A veteran international reporter has described current Muslim Brotherhood propaganda as a “charm offensive”. It is truly a deadly chameleon.

 

A Prince, Interior Minister of Saudi Arabia, has stated that the Muslim Brotherhood organization was the cause of most problems in the Arab world.

 

One academic states MB can count on only 100,000 militants in Egypt; just Egypt and just 100,000 (?) The Bolsheviks came to power in Russia in 1917 with far fewer than 100,000. This is the other side, which I believe to be correct.

 

So what does Downing say about HIS local MB? He says they are different and have evolved. That this gigantic battle for the truth of Islam exists, ought to clearly keep LAPD out of the propaganda battle. That, unfortunately, is not the case. In fact, over 90 percent of intelligence personnel worldwide (who are not Muslim) without difficulty, see the MB as an enemy of peace and freedom. Let me give you a few examples of the Downing apologetic.

 

“The Muslim Brotherhood is an organization of politically active motivation. I’m sure it does (the MB) exist here in a different form (from evil MB?).”

I love this next statement of Downing):

“I think that, uh, one of the benefits of what we do in terms of dealing with the motivational aspects of terrorism is to do in (sic) to outreach and engage with the community so they don’t feel isolated, Balkanized, oppressed, or besieged.” (This is a standard line which he has used at other times also)

Wow! We deal with the ‘motivational aspects of terrorism’ by going to the community. This sounds like it’s right out of Harvard academia. I wonder if our LAPD officers in Afghanistan and Iraq have ever considered the ‘motivational aspects of terrorism’. That must mean things that motivate people to become terrorists.

 

What might cause people in our community to become terrorists and blow up innocent people? Downing tells us, I guess, when he proposes that if we take away from people in Los Angeles the feeling of being isolated, Balkanized (this is what Islam itself is doing in Great Britain), oppressed, or besieged, then they won’t want to be terrorists. Maybe we erred in not dealing with the motivational aspects of the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) when nearly all died in a shootout with our officers.

 

 

Symbionese Liberation Army: What if the LAPD had applied the Muslim standard to this bunch?

 

 

This next quote from Downing makes it clear:

“And our biggest counter-terrorism strategy in this community is the partnership that we have with the local communities.”

That means we are partnering with members of a group which has sworn to take this country into a theocratic dictatorship where those who refuse to submit to allah will be killed. This is not radical terrorism, but mainline Islam for those who follow Mohammed and the Qur’an. Downing’s work with (according to his bio) the New Scotland Yard’s Metropolitan Police Counter-Terrorism Command SO 15, might have had an influence on him, or perhaps he influenced them. How long might it be before sharia law has authority in Los Angeles?

 

A while later Downing foretells the future when he says,

“People here, we are trying to show that the message of al-Qaeda (and many real authorities believe of the MB) is unattainable. There is no way we will ever have a worldwide Muslim dominated rule with sharia law and a caliphate.”

Downing obviously is speaking on behalf of Islam, but does the ‘we’ include LAPD? He misleads when he says there will be no Muslim world domination, sharia law, and a caliphate because that is exactly what Islam, including the CAIR, MB, and MSA are pursuing. Islam and Downing want America to believe (‘we are trying to show’) there will be no Islamic destruction of America, and all the while Islam is pursuing this exact goal.

 

Is this in the province of LAPD to determine that Islam will or will not, in the end, rule worldwide? I think absolutely not. I can only speculate on the motives of Downing, but he is absolutely engaging in ‘conduct unbecoming’ at the very least, and using very poor judgment. If he wants to embrace Islam and terrorists, it is his decision (for which he remains accountable) but to make it an LAPD position is inexcusable.

 

Downing misses the very sharp point that it doesn’t matter right now what might happen in the ultimate future, which he certainly cannot predict. It is today, and the immediate future, that LAPD must concern itself with. Does it really matter to our LAPD officers, who gave their lives overseas fighting Muslims, what the ultimate outcome of Islamization will be? No. It is the belief of Muslims that they can bring about their end victory, by killing, right now. The Muslims, who killed thousands on September 11, 2001 and those who are killing today, and will continue tomorrow, should be the concern of law enforcement in LA. Their success in the future should be for state and federal political concern.

 

Downing tries to use analogies. He talks about the original MB and that they evolved and changed just like ‘we’ have. He talks of good and bad, or differing views of the MB, as being like Republicans and Democrats. He also talks about the Muslim Students Association (MSA) as being an offshoot of the MB. He says he knows all about the MB.

 

So as to keep his assertions somewhat cohesive, which is difficult, it is instructive to look at the MSA which he calls an offshoot of the evolved, changed and good MB he deals with.

 

The MSA has a position on college campuses across the U.S. Here are a few of its leaders who moved on to bigger and better things Islamic. Remember these are people who lead organizations Downing finds to be worthy of LAPD support, and defense.

 

Anwar al-Awlaki – He was president of the MSA at Colorado State University. He became an al-Qaeda cleric linked to the Times Square bomb planting, the Fort Hood on-post al-Qaeda murders, and other violent Muslim plots (al-Awlaki has been executed by the U.S. government in Yemen since I wrote this and submitted it to our LAPD union for publication…which was rejected).

 

Ramy Zam Zam – He was the president of the MSA Washington, D.C. Counsel and was convicted in Pakistan of being engaged in joining the Taliban in Afghanistan to kill U.S. troops in Afghanistan (LAPD has officers serving in our forces in Afghanistan, with three killed there by the Taliban).

 

Omar Hamami – He was the MSA president on the University of South Alabama campus and then eventually made his way to Somalia where he became a leader in the Al Shabab Muslim murder group.

 

LAPD should be miles away from anything to do with the Muslim Brotherhood or the Muslim Students Association (except surveillance of them). The evidence against them is overwhelming. For Downing to place LAPD in a position of even a hint of support for these Muslim groups is at best a serious breach of professionalism, or he really believes the unbelievable. Whichever it is, he needs to be exposed.

 

Downing in his ICSC interview of May 15, 2011, was extremely proud of his support for things Islam when he stated,

“Tomorrow we are going to announce a $50 million grant to Claremont, the first American University, it’s going to train imams and what it is to live in a contemporary environment under democracy, because what they (Muslims) are doing, they are bringing these foreign imams in, it’s not doing it because (several interruptions) they don’t have the context of what it is like here; they don’t have the context of what it is to have Islam and democracy to co-exist.”

I don’t know if Downing is part of the ‘we’ of the ICSC, which along with Jewish Academy Seminary, also made the announcement. One thing for sure, Islam is not seeking co-existence with democracies.

 

At any rate, according to the donor of the $50 million, who is also affiliated with Claremont, the program includes protestant clergy, and Jews, as well as Imams. Downing was either playing to the ICSC and cameras, or getting taken by his own rhetoric, as he did at a ‘Postopolis! LA’ meeting in 2009. He builds well on his suppositions, but in the world of terrorists and terrorism, they are just often wrong, and that makes all LAPD wrong.

 

Much of Downing’s talk is social engineering of the worst kind, and LAPD has seriously been degraded by Downing’s activities. The Chief of Police needs to take a good look at where this has taken the Department.

 

In March of 2011, two months before the irresponsible remarks of Downing at the ICSC, the FBI Director testified before the U.S. Congress that the FBI had severed all ties with CAIR and its dozens of offices nation-wide. Why? Because of CAIR ties with Hamas and terrorism. Those are the very same ties of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Students Association Downing clearly appears to support.

 

Chief Beck needs to quickly address this very dangerous position taken by Deputy Chief Downing. He needs to launch an inquiry into the make-up and positions taken by the intelligence personnel (300 suggested by Downing in 2009) working for Downing, and Downing’s own relationships, and their extent, with Muslim Brotherhood.

 

I believe we are still at war with Muslim terrorists, including Muslim Brotherhood at the helm.
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Most recently, after this letter was submitted to the LAPD officers’ union and rejected, the FBI caved in, allowing Muslim organizations to review FBI materials and to censor out that which the Muslim fundamentalists deem offensive.

 

Of greater significance are the Islamic organizations and their fellow travelers’ attacks on the NYPD personnel for surveillance of Muslims in New Jersey (where the mosque of the first Twin Towers bombers is located). The historical significance is great in foundation.

 

I have written much on ‘racial profiling’ protection and the legal sham that is. Racial profiling protection is the force field surrounding anyone who wishes to stop law enforcement from “Constitutionally” protecting America. Racial profiling is not a Constitutional guarantee but trumps the United States Constitution.

 

Interestingly, the State of New Jersey lost its sovereignty in one of the first major racial profiling actions brought by the government of these United States against the New Jersey State Police.

 

But that is a bad guy victory from time past, and continuing sham for future bad guy application.

 

Bob Michael, retired

LAPD

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From the Muslim Public Affairs Council website, Downing is quoted as saying:

“There is also a recognition that there are two sides of extremism, the side from Al Qaeda and the affiliates bent on attacking the West, and the other side of those who continue to demonize Muslims and Islam in an effort to keep people afraid and angry. Both are not helpful to protecting our nation from terrorist attacks.”

 

“Police have the ability to form partnerships and integrate communities into the common, unified approach to problem solving. The Muslim Public Affairs Council and Salam Al-Marayati, in particular, have been an authentic partner in this most important endeavor. We can always look back at the past and point out the negative; however, it is the future that we should have our eye toward and all Americans play an important role in defining this future. For those who criticized his participation at the recent radicalization conference, I would ask you to get the feedback from the 60 or so law enforcement officers from around the state as to the content, the engagement, and the authenticity of that dialogue. This was helpful. This was a partnership. And this is the strength or our Democracy.”

At the Unity 2011 Interfaith Conference sponsored (apparently) by Muslims, Downing called Islam the truth; and he called those who collaborated on the book Sharia: The Threat To America, liars and writers of “a book full of lies”. He speaks of the truth of Islam.

 

Downing Founded the Chiefs of Police Muslim Forum.

 

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http://shoebat.com/2013/09/05/islam-captures-lapd/

 

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"When you want to help people, you tell them the truth.
When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear."
-- Thomas Sowell

 

[Ventura Patriot]