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Comment by Don W on April 2, 2012 at 2:10pm

"All appliances made in the last 6 years or so, have capabilities to tell the network what they are. They can also be switched off by the "smart grid.""

Please provide a responsible information source for your assertion.

Comment by George on April 2, 2012 at 9:11am

Don:  

We have been over and over this before.

What you are saying is simply a lie. The devices can do near real time monitoring of usage, right down to the specific device used, when and how much power consumed. It is made available to a network which can be shared with govt. agencies, third parties, or be hacked. This provides enormous surveillance capability.

But, beyond that, it can be used for active control. All appliances made in the last 6 years or so, have capabilities to tell the network what they are. They can also be switched off by the "smart grid."  I do not want unseen, unaccountable, unsympatheic forces, to have that kind of control over my life.  Many others don't either, and more still are waking up to the threat daily.

Now, you may be told that those capabilities are not there, or that they are not switched on, or that they are not being used, or that they don't intend to use them.  If you believe that, I have a bridge in my hometown of Brooklyn, NY that I want to sell you.

Comment by Don W on April 2, 2012 at 8:15am

The Benefits of Smart Meters

The California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) has authorized the state’s investor owned utilities to replace conventional customer meters with Smart Meters in order to give consumers greater control over their energy use.  Smart Meters enable a utility to provide customers with detailed information about their energy usage at different times of the day, which in turn enables customers to manage their energy use more proactively.

Smart Meters are being rolled out nationwide and internationally.  According to the Edison Foundation, more than 8 million Smart Meters have been deployed by electric utilities in the U.S. and nearly 60 million should be in place by 2020.  In California, the CPUC authorized Southern California Edison to install approximately 5.3 million new Smart Meters, San Diego Gas and Electric Company (SDG&E) 1.4 million electric Smart Meters and 900,000 natural gas meters, and Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E) approximately 5 million electric meters and 4.2 million natural gas meters. 

The benefits of Smart Meters to customers, the state, and utilities, include:

  • Allows for faster outage detection and restoration of service by a utility when an outage occurs and therefore, less disruption to a customer’s home or business.
  • Provides customers with greater control over their electricity use when coupled with time-based rates,increasing the range of different pricing plans available to customers and giving them more choice in managing their electricity consumption and bills.
  • Increases privacy because electricity usage information can be relayed automatically to the utility for billing purposes without on-site visits by a utility to check the meter. This also results in lower operational costs for the utility, which means savings for customers as utility rates reflect the utility’s cost to operate. In addition, as technology improves and changes over time, customers can receive the benefit of those changes without the utility having to replace the meter itself.
  • Smart Meters are the first step toward creating a Smart Grid in California.  With a Smart Grid, digital technologies are applied to every aspect of the industry, from generation, to transmission, to distribution, to the customer interface. This will help the grid sense what is happening to the energy flow, keep it in balance, and improve reliability and make the grid more resilient in the face of outages and other problems.
  • Southern California Edison: Edison customers with Smart Connect meters will be able to participate in time-based rates.

    Edison will specifically implement a new Critical Peak Pricing (CPP) program for its large commercial and industrial customers starting in 2010 and is expected to expand CPP to medium commercial customers and agricultural customers by 2012.  Additionally Edison will implement a voluntary real-time pricing rate (for all customers) by 2012 as well. 

    Finally, residential customers (with Smart Connect meters) in Edison’s territory will also be able to participate in a Peak Time Rebate program.  This program is anticipated to begin in late 2010.   Alternatively residential customers in Edison’s territory (with Smart Connect meters) will be able to voluntarily enroll in CPP by 2012.

Comment by Don W on April 2, 2012 at 7:47am

All these devices do is read and record the amount and time of usage and have the ability to stop service should the user does not pay for the use or asks for the service to be terminated. Nothing more!

Our nation is under attack and in danger of being converted to a fascist economy with our freedoms being ripped away with expediency.  Distractions like these weaken the necessary concentration to save our Constitution from irrelevance.

Comment by George on April 2, 2012 at 12:32am

Don: You're missing important points. I have debated this with you before and it obviously made no impression., I urge other readers to look over other postings on this site: http://venturacountyteaparty.ning.com/main/search/search?q=smart+me...

1. I don't see radiation as a significant issue either, as meters are not as close to human bodies as cell phones and RF power used is not that high.

2. However, the privacy issue is huge, because the monitors know exactly what you're using and when and can even know which appliances are used and when.  Data can also be made available to govt. agencies and even designated third parties. In addition, networks are highly hackable.

3. The system has the potential for active control, meaning it can be used to control switches on specific devices. I don't care to grant that or the above to utilities, other agencies, or their designees.  Since it has access to to the house power grid, it could also potentially be used to intercept other signals.

4. Rates can easily be manipulated by time, by setting the base rate higher and discounting it down, to achieve meddling Progressive social policy objectives. Since PUC is dominated by special interests and lobbyists influencing it, they have clout to do such things.

5. Technology has existed since the 1960's to produce meters readable by drive-by trucks. No time phased readings, no active control of appliance, minimal surveillance. These are inexpensive to build, cheap to administer.  The costs of purchasing, installing "smart" meters and the enormous technical infrastructure costs far outweigh the benefits, especially compared to the other approach I mentioned.

Comment by Don W on April 1, 2012 at 5:47pm

Pure fiction but well done with a few facts thrown in. Thankfully he stayed away from the Tin Foil Hat issue of harmful radio frequency radiation and increased rates because of time of use. Rates may be reduced by time of use but they cannot be raised by the regulated utility.

ALL aspects of metered utility service to homes and businesses in California are closely regulated by the state Public Utilities Commission. Privacy concerns should be reduced as persons will no longer invade your property to read utility meters. I my case that will be considerable as 5 meters are read from my property every month. I will appreciate that increased privacy.

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