Excellent, Marvin!! Excellent!! This article is an unemotional common sense heads up!!! As always, former Sheriff Richard Mack makes a lot of sense! The last paragraph of this email is very important to grasp. Marvin, I will share your email and urge all to give exchange their close review. Thanks!! <:} bob
PS - I am not suggesting that the Defenders of the 2nd Amendment back away from the planned January 20, 2020 "Gun Rights Lobby Day" in Virginia. Level headed patriots are always needed to support individual liberty, but also to tone down any unnecessary inflammatory talk, should it arise.
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2020 8:10 AM
To: Bob M
Subject: Fw: Hype - relating to Virginia Gun Control Edicts
Lee R sends:
Butch CHISM writes:
I have been seeing a lot of articles with a lot of hype, not only from some sites, but from information some of my contacts have been sending me. Cool the HYPE!!
The following is copied from a website which is a forum for The National Association Of American Sovereigns:
They had recently posted two items. The one in a response to the hype in the other. For those of you who may have heard some of this, please read top one of the two articles below.
The proposed gun law in Virginia is being said to be a "Gun Grab" with the National Guard possibly going door to door to confiscate weapons. The hype from some sources is labeling this as what will be the starting point to a "Civil War" which they are saying will spread across the entire nation.
Many organizations rely on hype to get a "knee jerk" reaction, thus increasing their followers, members, and their bank accounts from donations. By the same token, many of these organizations are also well meaning and really feel they have the public's best interest at heart. Don't always throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The first article below is a very responsible answer in response to the second article below which contains a lot of "hype". It not only identifies the hype, but in a way takes what the other is making out to be a bad situation and shows that it is really having a positive effect on the entire situation (which, by the way, may have been initiated because of the hype). In this article he is also, in essence, responding to many other articles, some of which I have seen, that are using the term "Civil War", as it is not mentioned in the article he references - URGENT! Call To Action in Virginia! We Need Boots on the Ground and Trainers
1. Virginia 2020
1.1. From: Richard Mack a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org">email@example.com>
Subject: Re: URGENT! Call To Action in Virginia! We Need Boots on the Ground and Trainers
Date: January 1, 2020 at 9:56:22 AM PST
To: arnie rosner a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org">email@example.com>
Arnie, please see my article below:
Civil War in Virginia?
By Former Sheriff Richard Mack
Yes, there has been a great deal of hyperbole (hype) about the political battles going on in the great State of Virginia. Indeed, this hype has been coming from all sides, including some from “patriot” groups and well-meaning gun rights organizations. Of course, we have seen the same ol same ol from the leftist media that has added fuel to the frenzy. The truth is that the next Civil War is NOT about to happen and an armed standoff is NOT even close to being the solution. Everyone needs to calm down and let Virginia work this out. There are lots of things happening there that are absolutely wonderful, perhaps even miraculous.
First, the Governor of VA, as horrible as he may be, is not calling out the National Guard to quell protests or to enforce his gun control edicts. The Adjutant General of the Va National Guard, Timothy P. Williams, said they have received no request from
the Governor to serve in a law enforcement capacity. In fact, the Governor did not make the comment regarding the utilization of the National Guard, it came from Democrat VA Rep. Donald McEachin, who suggested the Governor might need to call out the Guard to enforce Gun Control. McEachin even mentioned the VA sheriffs who are opposing gun control. This is the good news. A huge majority of the Virginia sheriffs have strongly indicated that they will not enforce any of these Unconstitutional “laws.” Not only do they violate the United States Constitution, but the Virginia Constitution as well. Now get this!
The Virginia Constitution is even more direct and emphatic than is the Federal Bill of Rights regarding the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms. It states: “That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...”
Again we have lawmakers breaking the law, violating their oaths, and showing a complete disdain for the Constitutions. On the other hand we now have the sheriffs of Virginia standing strong and doing their jobs, keeping their oaths to serve, protect, uphold, and defend. Furthermore, there are now over 105 cities and counties in VA that have declared themselves to be Second Amendment Sanctuaries. This is amazing, and as I said, perhaps even Miraculous!
Martin Luther King said, "One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” This is a very true and principled statement and the sheriffs of VA, or anywhere in this country, have no lawful or moral obligation to enforce unjust or unconstitutional laws; quite the contrary. Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police in the States of Washington and New Mexico are also taking similar stands. Several other States have done likewise. Even the famous city of Tombstone, AZ has declared itself a safe haven for the Second Amendment. These actions by these American hero Public Officials and Peace Officers are not creating a “Civil War,” they are preventing one. They are not creating an atmosphere of violence, they are preventing violence.
So, let's all calm down and let the sheriffs in VA do their jobs and be ready to support them if and when needed. They will let us know if they need some assistance. Thus far, they have not asked for any help and we should all respect that. There is no “Civil War” brewing there, just some ignorant rhetoric from vapid politicians.
The above posting was in response to a previous posting on the same site and was sent in to this forum from an organization known as "Oath Keepers".
The stated purpose of this organization as taken from their web site is as follows:
Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” That oath, mandated by Article VI of the Constitution itself, is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and Oath Keepers declare that they will not obey unconstitutional orders, such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as “enemy combatants” in violation of their ancient right to jury trial. See the Oath Keepers Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey for details.
Oath Keepers reaches out to both current serving and veterans to remind them of their oaths, to teach them more about the Constitution they swore to defend, and to inspire them to defend it. See below for details on how we do that. Oath Keepers also includes a membership program designated as “Associate Members”, which consists of patriotic citizens who have not served in uniform but who serve now by supporting this mission with their Associate Membership and volunteer activities. Oath Keepers welcomes our Associate Members and appreciates their support of our mission.
Note: Wikipedia lists them as an "Anti-Government" Organization. From what their stated purpose and principals are I do not personally see where standing up for the oath that many Americans have taken, including myself and all the politicians in Washington, is being "Anti-Government". It can only be construed as being "Anti-Government" when the government itself becomes "Anti-Constitutional". Having also now read their "Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey" and their reasoning based on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, I find them to be quite in order. They can be found at:
However, this does not excuse the "HYPE" in the article they released to this Forum. It is this type of Hype which causes "knee jerk" reactions and instills unnecessary fear in people. The highlighting in the article is mine where the hype goes way beyond TRUTH.
I have a problem with the article itself in other ways than just "Hype" which I will state at the end of the article.
Their article is as follows:
1.3. On Jan 1, 2020, at 2:14 AM, Oath Keepers a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org">email@example.com> wrote:
URGENT! Call To Action in Virginia!
We Need Boots on the Ground and Trainers
1.4. Oath Keepers and patriots!
Our patriot brothers and sisters in Virginia need our boots on the ground, and they need us to stand shoulder to shoulder with them, as they stand against unconstitutional violations of multiple provisions of the Bill of Rights. We need you to help!
THREE CRITICAL ACTION ITEMS:
1. CRITICAL GUN RIGHTS AND PRO-CONSTITUTION RALLY ON MONDAY, JANUARY 20, 2020:
Virginia gun rights groups and patriots, led by Virginia Citizens Defense League, are assembling for a massive rally in the state capitol of Richmond, VA on Monday, Jan. 20. Go here for info on the rally. All who can make it are urged to attend to lend our voices in support of the rights of the people of Virginia. It is critical that we have a strong presence at that rally to show our support for the people of Virginia as they stand up for their rights, and as they work to put pressure on their state legislators to honor their oaths by refusing to vote for any legislation that violates the right to keep and bear arms. See below for details on why this is so critical, and what we can do to help.
2. OATH KEEPERS IS SENDING A LEADERSHIP AND TRAINING TEAM TO VIRGINIA TO ASSIST IN ORGANIZING RESISTANCE TO UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACTS AND TO ORGANIZE AND TRAIN ARMED POSSES AND MILITIA.
Oath Keepers national leadership and some of our best trainers are on their way to Virginia to work boots on the ground, starting right after New Years Day, to do all we can to assist in organizing, training, and advising local town and county resistance to the unconstitutional and dangers actions of the Governor. We will stay for the duration, until the work is done! Among our trainers are U.S. Army Special Forces veterans and SWAT law enforcement trainers. They will focus on helping Sheriffs raise and train an official armed posse in each county, under command of the Sheriff, and on organizing, training, and equipping official county militia, under the authority of the county government. In addition, they will form up and train Spartan Training groups in each county, to bring all patriotic Americans together to train in critical skills so they are a pool of well trained volunteers that constitutional sheriffs and patriotic county officials can call on to assist in time of need, and that can serve as posse and/or militia. See below for details. WE NEED MORE TRAINERS! If you are an experienced military or law enforcement trainer, please step up and volunteer to help. Email us at: firstname.lastname@example.org. Put “volunteer military trainer” or “volunteer LEO trainer” in subject line. See below for details.
If you cannot make it in person to volunteer to help organize and train the patriots of Virginia, please donate to support those who can make it.
3. OATH KEEPERS WILL DIRECTLY OUTREACH TO THE VIRGINIA NATIONAL GUARD, STATE POLICE, AND ALL LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.
We will be directly reaching out toe all levels of military and law enforcement in Virginia that the governor may try to use to enforce his unconstitutional tyranny. We will do so through several different outreach methods and missions. See below for more details and info on how you can help.
2nd Amendment Sanctuary counties, cities, and towns
WHY THIS IS A CRISIS:
The Virginia Governor, with the assistance of oath- breaking politicians in the state legislature, is not just violating the Second Amendment. He seeks to violate the First, the Fourth, the Fifth, and the Sixth, though criminalization of free speech and assembly and gun confiscation without due process via horrendous “red flag” legislation, as well as weaponizing the state statute against paramilitary training to ban even training for lawful self defense or defense of others, or assembly and speech while armed. And, of course, seeing to ban entire categories of weapons essential to a well regulated militia, and attempting to criminalize normal, wholesome family shooting activities. In addition, the Governor has begun to threaten to use the VA National Guard against the people of Virginia, in reaction to sheriffs and county officials declaring their counties to be Second Amendment Sanctuaries and pledging to refuse to comply with the Governor’s edicts and pretend legislation.
We are confident that many within the National Guard and State Police will refuse those orders and will stand down, but we want to maximize that outcome and we want to prepare the people of Virginia for the worst case scenario of attempted use of force by the Governor to carry out his orders.
Oath Keepers is responding to the crisis in Virginia, where the leftists are in a full frontal assault against the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Our response will be multi-pronged, and will NOT be a one day response, but will instead be an ongoing campaign/ deployment that will begin right after New Years Day.
OUR PLANNED COURSE OF ACTION:
1. Attend the January 20, 2020 Gun Rights Lobby Day.
• When: Monday, 20 January 2020
• 8:00 AM – 1:00 PM
• Location: General Assembly Building — Richmond VA
Go here for details on the rally. IF you are within driving range and can attend, please do! The goal here will be to maximize the size of the audience at this rally, to help send the message to the VA legislature that the people of Virginia want them to do the right thing and refuse to vote for these atrocious and dangerous bills that violate the rights of the people – and that the people of the United States stand in unity with them.
We urge you to dress like average Americans, not in cammo or full battle rattle. Our purpose is to be force multipliers for the people of Virginia. Oath Keepers shirts, hats, etc are fine, or any other patriotic gear, but please no camouflage or military gear. We want to present as quiet professionals. That is according to the wishes of the event organizers and of the Virginia patriot groups we are already working with, who have the most skin in the game in their home state. Please respect their wishes and help them in their chosen strategy. They also prefer that we go concealed carry for those who will be carrying. And they prefer that there be no long guns at the rally. Again, this is their preference and we owe it to them to abide by that preference. We are there to support and assist them in their political fight to try to keep these bills from being passed in the first place.
2. Oath Keepers is deploying a leadership team/training team in advance of the Jan 20 rally and that team will remain in the ground in VA after the rally, for the duration to do the following:
A. Urge all counties to follow the example of Tazewell County, VA by passing a resolution establishing an official county militia.
Tazewell County, VA has already taken the momentous step of passing a resolution to establish an official county militia, under the authority of the duly elected county political leaders. That is historic. A resolution to establish a formal militia in the county is a critical first step. And every other county in VA should follow Tazewell County’s
superb example. Oath Keepers will be sending in national leaders to advocate for, and assist, all counties in VA in following Tazewell county’s example.
Oath Keepers Founder, Stewart Rhodes, will be there in person to lead this leadership team and he will put his legal training from Yale Law School to use in assisting in the drafting of any needed resolutions. It is critical that the people of Virginia use their official county governments to organize militia units instead of just organizing private groups. An official county militia would be acting under, and pursuant to, the full authority of the elected government of the county, not just a private “militia”. That is an important distinction, especially considering the clear intent of the anti-gun leftist to weaponize the state statute against paramilitary training to try to shut down any and all training for self defense or the carrying of weapons for self defense When a town or county government stands up, that pits one government entity against another, and puts patriots in a much stronger position.
The Founding Fathers fully utilized their town and county governments when resisting the tyranny of the Crown. We must do the same when resisting the tyranny of the governor and the state legislature. NOTE: this does NOT mean we will not be working with non-official volunteer militia in Virginia. We already are. We just want to maximize the use of county government as a mechanism of organization and authority.
B. Assist in the raising up, organizing, training, and equipping of official county militias.
Once a resolution has been passed to establish an official militia in a county, the next step is to actually organize, train, and equip that militia unit or units in each county, comprised of the able bodied men and women of that county (should be considered a duty for the men, but an option for the women who can also serve). To assist in doing this, Oath Keepers is sending some of our most experienced military and law enforcement trainers, including former U..S. Special Forces trainers and SWAT certified LEO instructors to VA to assist with forming and training these militia units. We will stay on the ground in VA as long as necessary to get this critical work done.
If you are a QUALIFIED and experienced military or law enforcement trainer or veteran with sufficient experience to train others, please do volunteer to assist as a trainer. To volunteer, email us at: email@example.com and put “Volunteer military (or LEO) trainer” in subject line. Please provide any documentation of your service and training you may have, such as DD214, training certs, school graduation certs, etc Please also submit a copy of you drivers license, your CCW if you have one, and your full home address and phone number. All volunteer trainers must go through a background check. No exceptions. NOTE: You DO NOT have had to have served as a formal trainer to be qualified to teach. We would consider an experienced infantry NCO, for example, as qualified to teach others what he knows (or whatever your MOS was). If you are competent and know your stuff, step up! Of course, if you were a formal trainer, even better. But we will put you to work if you are well trained.
C. Reach out to all the sheriffs and encourage them to form armed posses.
We will go to the counties that have declared themselves to be Second Amendment Sanctuary Counties (with the sheriff making similar declarations) and urge them to take the necessary next step of forming an official sheriff posse under the command of the sheriff. Declarations are a wonderful first step. But they need to be followed up by actually organizing a real, no-joke sheriff posse. A great example of what is possible is the 3,000 man posse that Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona. Sheriff Arpaio having that large posse was a game changer in his Mexican Stand-offs with the Obama Administration. It made it a very messy and risky proposition for Obama to try to play hard ball and use force.
Bottom line is we will reach out to all county governments, sheriff departments, and town governments who have declared themselves to be Second Amendment Sanctuaries to offer our assistance in organizing and training both sheriff Posse and official county militia, as well as in drafting any resolutions, training curriculum or other documents needed.
D. Form Spartan Training Groups in each county:
Open to all citizens local to the Constitution, regardless of what group they may be in. (excluding anyone who seeks to overthrow the U.S. government or who discriminates along racial lines).
These will NOT be official units, but will instead be akin to what the Founding Fathers called “training bands” of locals who get together to train, cross-train (sharing skills) and to iron out the bugs of working together. The goal is a trained pool of men and women in each county – as large as possible, and as inclusive as possible- that can serve as a turn-key posse or militia for the county. This means the people are ALREADY organizing and training, even if the county sheriff will not yet from a posse, or even if the county government has not yet followed Tazwell County’s example by passing a resolution to form an official militia for the county. Time is of the essence, and the patriots of Virginia must start training and organizing now, other than waiting until after those official units are formed.
Whether you are a three percenter, an Oath Keeper, in a privately organized volunteer militia, some other group, or in no group at all, you will be welcome to train with us. The goal is to train EVERYONE in the county who is loyal to the Constitution. We will train them in six critical skill categories: safe, effective firearms use and small unit tactics (in both a military and law enforcement role); emergency medical; emergency communications; emergency engineering; emergency preparedness and disaster relief; community intelligence (for law enforcement and military roles). Among the goals of such groups will be the establishment of armed neighborhood watches, armed church security, preparing churches to be places of refuge, forming and training up town and county volunteer emergency response teams, and organizing as a turn-key posse in waiting and/or militia in waiting, for the county to use.
Additionally, those Spartan Training Groups can work together to urge the Sheriff to form a posse and use them in it, and they can work to urge and encourage their County government leaders to form an official militia.
3. Outreach to all levels of military and law enforcement in Virginia. WE NEED VOLUNTEERS!
We will be directly reaching out to all levels of military and law enforcement in Virginia that the governor may try to use to enforce his unconstitutional tyranny. We will do so through several different outreach methods and missions. Stay tuned for details. However, if you are a military officer or NCO (current, former, or retired), who wants to help us outreach to the Virginia National Guard, or a law enforcement officer (current, former, or retired) who wants to help outreach to VA LEOs, please email us at: firstname.lastname@example.org Put “VA military outreach volunteer” or “VA LEO outreach volunteer” in subject line. We will give details to vetted volunteers.
We are fully committed to doing all we can to assist the patriots of Virginia in sending up for their rights as they encourage the military and law enforcement units of Virginia to refuse unlawful orders and by doing so, buy more time for the Federal Courts to step in and strike down as unconstitutional wherever pretend legislation nonsense the Governor or State legislature may pass.
Please help us all you can in this mission, either boots on the ground, or by donating to support those who CAN go, to serve in person. Every little bit helps.
Our trainers will need travel expenses, as well as food, lodging, and training supplies and equipment. Please help us.
For the Republic,
Read this Call to Action on the Oath Keepers
Personal Problem with article.
If I were an expert with firearms to the point of being qualified to train others, which I am not, I would not want my name in such a data base along with all my qualifications, along with photo ID / Drivers License, copy of DD-214, training certifications, home address, phone number, etc. and then someone adding to that a background check. Who would be storing this data? Where would this data be stored? Who would be doing the "Background Check" ??? How secure would this data base be and what security level would be required to gain access to this information?? Would I trust this organization, without knowing a whole lot more about it, beyond their so-called stated purpose, to collect, review, store and secure this Information? ? I think not!!
They claim they are going to help the Sheriffs do their job by forming "official malitias". The sheriffs have in no way indicated that they require or want any help. The Sheriffs seem to have everything under control.
Is it possible this whole idea of a call for qualified trainers is nothing more than a ruse to get people who have the knowledge in firearms to come out of the woodwork, get them all in database, so they would know who they are and where they are.