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Wow-Wow! Sparks Fly at First-Ever California Common Core Forum, in Thousand Oaks

Event Video Now Available
About 300 People showed up and 70 lined up to ask questions at one time, before realizing that an hour wasn't nearly enough time to accommodate them all. Crowd sentiment was overwhelmingly anti-Common Core. Every single questioner appeared to be anti.

(Our video man was prevented by school personnel from recording the event. We only found out afterward. This certainly does not make for "transparency," does it?)

We obtained the official video:

Photos start HERE.

6-10-13. Updated last 6-11 at 11:00 AM

To CVUSD: are your teachers ready to teach Common Core?- Dr. Bill Evers

A Conejo Unified School District School Board meeting discussion about hiring a $200,000 yearly Common Core Coordinator (for new, nationally-mandated school curriculum, arguably unconstitutional) was held. In only a few weeks, it morphed into a full blown forum on the merits-and demerits- of the new national school curriculum implementation in Thousand Oaks and some other adjacent areas which comprise the district. 

Local businessman and sometime civic activist Tony Dolz co-organized the forum, in cooperation with Dr. Jeff Baarstad, School Superintendent.  Baarstad's working hypothesis was following the state decision to go with Common Core (and all the strings attached). Dolz is an announced candidate for the school board. Common Core and budgets seem to be his signature issues. His apparently many supporters (disclosure statement: the author is one of them) took the position that they wanted no part at all of a federally mandated curriculum, with Orwellian student information tracking, including biometrics/retinal scans and highly personal information. It would follow 5 year olds and above wherever they go and be accessible to far too many people and organizations. Also involved are a relative "dumbing down" of the curriculum, unvalidated, untested content and methodology, not to mention federal control of a curriculum copyrighted by two foundations.

CC proponents tell a very different, often directly contradictory, story: Better qualitative learning, content, methodology, technology, deliriously happy students and faculty, kumbaya.

Each side brought some heavy hitters to the party ....

Panel (L-R): Mike Soules, President, Corwin Publishing (Common Core books)

Dr. Sandra Stotzky, Prof. Emerta, U Arkansas, author, expert witness on Common Core to U.S. Congress

Dr. Jon Sand, Director, Curriculum and Assessment, CVUSD

Dr. Bill Evers, Former US Dept Education Official and Fellow of Hoover Institute at Stanford

Tony Dolz, President, Concerned parents of Conejo Valley, School Board Candidate, former State Assy Candidate

Dr. Jeff Baarstad, Superintendent, CVUSD

Peggy Walker, Teacher, Newbury Park HS and 2011 CVUSD and VC Teacher of the Year (below)

"Teacher of the Year" Peggy Walker is probably far better in a class full of children than speaking at such a forum

Evers and Stotsky led off with a blistering indictment of Common Core- its underlying concepts, validity, methodology even author motivations (testing companies, book publishers, left-wing ideologue educators), lack of involvement of the right types, evils of centralized govt. control. They assert that CC was never officially announced to parents, which was confirmed by many in the audience.  

Evers claimed that Australia and Canada had approaches similar to that of the USA- decentralized. While they were about on a par with us in the 1970's they are now significantly ahead. Decentralization is closer to voter preference. He further claims that CC uses experimental, untested teaching methods and cited a couple of math examples, which I couldn't jot down fast enough- congruent triangles, or something like that.

Dr. Stotsky: "15 states are now "in the process of extricating themselves from Common Core."  CC is copyrighted by two private groups. Cannot be changed without their permission.  CC standard is not competitive with the better foreign competitors. Not benchmarked. Not "rigorous" in spite of claims. It ends in 10th grade level- NOT college-ready. It results in a reduction of literature studies.  Standards were written by test industry people. Their technology is driving the curriculum. Claims developers of Math and English matls didn't know what college-ready means.

Miker Soules said 16,600 districts make their own decisions. He didn't describe their constraints or how those might change under Common Core.m He said federal funding of education has risen from a historical level of 6% to about 10%.  "Universal Access" is the goal, along with equity (sounding like "Social Justice'). Cited No Child Left Behind. The "Diploma" project with National Gov Assoc. moved it along. In 2010, 45 states accepted Common Core (sight unseen).  Different states will implement the Common Core Curriculum differently.  

Jon Sand: Curriculum is "rich and engaging," with "the 4 C's: Creativity, Collaboration, Critical Thinking and Communication."  He read his presentation by rote. It sounded like it was extracted from a sales pitch in a manual.  Claims it has "higher rigor" than the CA 1997 Standards.  Offers "tech-enhanced lessons and assessments."  Integrated standards across multiple subjects.  Claims achievement is higher with Common Core- did not cite how he knew that.  Student expands thinking, writes from "source." Presentation was a bit jargon-laden.  Math: probability moved from grade 3 (don't remember doing that there) to 7.  Establish foundation knowledge, concepts. Enhance speed and and accuracy. Leap tall buildings with a single bound?

Peggy Walker: On text selection and curriculum committee since 1990. Make sure texts aligned to stds. Worked on history/social studies content std.  Focus on context, not process. Be able to work collaboratively and independently.  Her mission here was to tell us how it would be under Common Core, but she wasn't giving us a clear idea.

It occurred to me when reading my own writings that speakers on both sides made some assertions without providing substantiation. The format and short time available might have contributed to that.

Thousand Oaks Acorn Newspaper Editor Kyle Jorrey did a good job moderating, but allowed audience questioners to pontificate excessively.

Kurt Adams, who has 3 children in district schools, asks panel why over a $billion (very conservatively) will be spent statewide to implement CC, which is all wasted since it's not even as good as what it replaced.

After Adams spoke, Dr. Stotsky retorted that it would be better spent on education schools for teachers.  There was also talk of "unfunded mandates" (passing laws without funding, requiring others to pay for it).

Kathy Carlson opines

Kathy Carlson (above) is very concerned about the copyright on CC. She has taught overseas in Finland, Asia and notes student success there is a result of HARD WORK. She noted, amid audience laughter, that there weren't many Chinese parents here, "probably because they're home working with their kids."

Above: Gino Spineli of Thousand Oaks, an engineer & educator for 52 years, felt that if CVUSD is "at 97%," maybe it shouldn't be making big changes. He also opined that "Einstein and Steinmetz would have flunked Common Core, "because they don't follow the rules."

Organizer Tony Dolz of Concerned Parents of Conejo Valley. Ran for School Board in 2012. Looks like the 2014 campaign is well underway now.

Successful CVUSD Supt. Baarstad finally realizes that CC will be a VERY tough row to hoe here.

Baarstad made a very bad move in his closing statement, lecturing/chastising the crowd for being rowdy. He should have allowed for their frustration and rage in being hustled and lied to about Common Core. In contrast to what was claimed, there WERE no public meetings, at least not announced in the clear, there was no debate, no legislative buy-in, no proper financial appropriations, bureaucrat approval in relative secrecy, approval of curriculum before it was even written or submitted.

After hearing how wonderful and different Common Core was, for nearly two hours, he closed by saying it was 86% the same as the existing curriculum. We learned that the state had dropped its incremental changes to the curriculum because it would require separate materials, tests and assessment (cost prohibitive).

He did express concern about the data collection and biometrics and possible dumbing down of curriculum (he pledged not to permit it).

Dolz closed with saying that the parents must now decide what to do, that they can opt out (he passed out hundreds of forms), that his attorney, United States Justice Foundation, would defend in court anyone needing it who was using this opt out form, which can be used to block: data collection, study of the curriculum and/or testing. He pointed out that what is planned is a trade of a proven, successful curriculum and methods for national standards which are untested, along with biometric and personal identifying info tracking.  

At that point, Baarstad was probably thinking about the cost and complexity of maintaining a two-track curriculum. I've got an idea for him- skip CC.  Dolz said that the nation's founders advocated putting boundaries on officials.  He called for another forum in October, to assess results with Common Core. The "opt-out" strategy would put boundaries on Common Core."

While I was walking Dr. Stotsky out to the car afterward, she asserted that this was the best such session that she had ever participated in and that the organizers and parents were more knowledgeable than she had seen before. Guess what- we had lots of help from reading and watching stuff created by her and other activists!

~~~

Commentary by Tony Dolz ....

When the students return to class in Fall, they will be returning to the familiar schools, but those schools will be far from familiar in how and what they teach.

We are talking about an experimental set of educational standards that will start in Fall, standards that are not even finished standards.  The standards are called Common Core.

Before we get into the details of what the speakers said in favor and against, one theme that held throughout the event was the view that Conejo Valley had among the best performing schools in the state and the nation, so why are we talking about changing these superb outcome standards for controversial untested standards?  We can say that was the starting point. 

The school district establishment set out to convince the audience that the new untested standards were superior, but the two nationally recognized speakers invited by the Concerned Parents of Conejo Valley presented volumes of evidence to the contrary.

The methods required by Common Core to teach are so radically different from the existing ones that the teachers need re-validation, in order to teach them.  The school district establishment insisted throughout the night that they were ready.  Bill Evers, speaking for the the Concerned Parents, repeatedly challenged the district to be specific.  Evers asked the school district speakers if the teachers were prepared to teach geometry with some unproven, unvalidated methods  Two hours later and after asking the same question several times, there was no answer from superintendent Baarstad or the other speakers on his side of the panel.

June 11, 2013

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Pre-Session

At a prior luncheon for panelists and media (VC Star declined to participate), multiple interesting points were made by Drs. Stotsky and Evers. 

They questioned whether CVUSD teachers were ready to teach Common Core and wondered what the plan is to get them there.

The district can refute Common Core, but there would be a loss of some funding, as the statists have the reward/punishment system to achieve their agenda down pat. 15 states are now "in the process of extricating themselves from Common Core." Common Core was never really announced or explained to parents.  It will impact even private schoolers and homeschoolers, which many are unaware of.  Catholic hierarchy actually chose Common Core, but then again, (most Catholic voters voted for Obama).

The curriculum is actually owned/copyrighted by two federally funded test writing groups. The CA state board adopted it without even seeing it. We guess we'll have to read it (much) later to find out what's in it.  This national curriculum was long time coming, with attempts during administrations of both major parties, over decades. Each attempt was foiled by Congress.  In 1998, it voted against national testing.

This time, they bypassed Congress and gave states the bum's rush. Our understanding is that it was midwifed by state education bureaucrats, in return for waivers on the absurd "No Child Left Behind" and "Race to the Top" programs, along with some choice funding siphoned out of stimulus money.  Democrats have no monopoly on statist, unconstitutional (exceeding federal enumerated powers) programs. We're sure they'll tell you it's covered by the general welfare clause, like most overreaching of the last century. Claims that Reagan wanted national testing were refuted at this session by Dr, Evers.  It seems to us that it's more of  a centralization vs decentralization issue than a Republican vs Democrat one.  There's also the matter of unproven, experimental stuff going cold turkey on the third largest nation in the world.

A school district, to implement Common core, would have to buy tests, buy admin. and possibly buy texts.  There would also be teacher training entailed. In a state of nearly 40 million people, the billion dollar implementation estimate may be low-balled.

Obama's Education Takeover book and Joy Pullman's articles were cited as good sources.

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Search our site for more on Common Core

Explore our regional anti-Common Core Web Forum

Read original event announcement.

VC Star article now up.

Interesting flyer from Thousand Oaks Tea Party, has good summary of CC pitfalls

Here's just the Tony Dolz Forum Speech

Biographies

Biography for Dr. Sandra Stotsky: June 2013

 

Sandra retired from the University of Arkansas this past December, where she held the 21st century chair in teacher quality. She is now professor emerita of education reform.  

 

She served as Senior Associate Commissioner at the Massachusetts Department of Education from 1999-2003, where she was in charge of developing or revising all the state’s K-12 standards, teacher licensure tests, and all licensure regulations.

 

She served on the Massachusetts Board of Elementary and Secondary Education from 2006-2010.  She has published extensively in professional journals and written several books. 

 

She served on the National Mathematics Advisory Panel, from 2006-2008.  Most recently she served on the Common Core Validation Committee, from 2009-2010. 

 

She did undergraduate work at the University of Michigan and completed a doctorate in reading research at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. 

 

She was an active citizen in Brookline for over 40 years, serving as a board member and then president of its League of Women Voters in the 1970s. 

 

She was an elected Town Meeting Member for 10 years and an elected library trustee for 14 years.  She also served on many school-search and selectmen-appointed committees.

 

Dr. Stotsky has provided expert testimony before the U.S. Congress and multiple state legislatures.

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Williamson M. Evers

research fellow
member of the k–12 education task force

Expertise: Education policy, especially as it pertains to curriculum, teaching, testing, and accountability from kindergarten through high school; Iraq reconstruction

Williamson Evers, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution and a member of the Institution’s Koret Task Force on K–12 Education, specializes in research on education policy especially as it pertains to curriculum, teaching, testing, accountability, and school finance from kindergarten through high school. Evers was the US assistant secretary of education for policy from 2007 to 2009. He was a senior adviser to US secretary of education Margaret Spellings during 2007. From July to December 2003, Evers served in Iraq as a senior adviser for education to Administrator L. Paul Bremer of the Coalition Provisional Authority.

Former governor Arnold Schwarzenegger appointed Evers to the California State Academic Content Standards Commission in 2010. In 1996 Governor Pete Wilson appointed Evers to the earlier California State Commission for the Establishment of Academic Content and Performance Standards. He is the only individual to have served on both standards commissions, both of which proposed the subject matter that students should learn in each grade.

Evers was elected in November 2004 to the Santa Clara County Board of Education, on which he served until February 2007. He is the immediate past president of the board of directors of the East Palo Alto Charter School on which he served from 1997 until 2004.

Among his recent publications are:
--Chapter on high-spending, low-performing school districts in 
Courting Failure (2006)
--Mathematics chapters in 
Reforming Education in Florida (2006) and in Reforming Education in Arkansas (2005)
--Chapter on fixing failing schools in Within Our Reach: How America Can Educate Every Child (2005)
--
Testing Student Learning, Evaluating Teaching Effectiveness (coeditor, 2004)
--Chapter on curriculum in 
Our Schools and Our Future (2003)

He has written opinion columns that have appeared in Education Week, the New York TimesWall Street JournalLos Angeles Times, and Christian Science Monitor. He is a member of the editorial board of Education Next (formerlyEducation Matters).

Evers received his BA (1972), MA (1978), and PhD (1987) degrees in political science from Stanford University.

 

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Comment by George on June 25, 2013 at 3:02pm

Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:49 pm
Subject: Common Core State Standards

Hello,
 
My name is Cindy and I live in a suburb of San Diego.  While browsing Facebook I found your article about the tremendous turnout at a board meeting in Thousand Oaks protesting the implementation of CCSS. I was so happy to see that another group in California is making noise about the horrible takeover of our education system.  Your group has done a tremendous job of getting the word out to the parents in your school district.
 
I am working with a group called “Citizens for Quality Education”.  We are doing our best to get parents engaged as well but it has been difficult.  Our goal is to convince our school board that the CCSS need to be at the very least slowed down and to get them to lobby in Sacramento for this.  Obviously, if we can convince them to do that along with other school districts that would be even more powerful.  What kind of progress have you made with your school board?
 
Would you be interested in talking about this further? 
 
Thank you so much.
 
Cindy
Comment by George on June 20, 2013 at 8:32pm

Forwarded by Beverly Waldron, retired teacher and kick-ass kayaker!

George,

Yes, you may & with attribution. I never express myself on a public issue that I won’t put my name to it. Right or wrong that is just me.
thanks, Bev

On Jun 20, 2013, at 6:22 PM, George Miller wrote:

Bev:
 
May we publish your CC comments?  If so, with or without attribution?

Regards,
George Miller
http://venturacountyteaparty.com
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Comments from a retired teacher on the Common Core Forum video.
 
Regards,
George Miller
http://venturacountyteaparty.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Beverly 
To: Miller's 
Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: Paddling & "Common Core"

Hi George,
Thanks for sending this to me. It took several days for me to absorb it all & I am not sure I have all the fine points.
In my opinion this sounds too broad and generalized to meet a variety of children developing needs at different rates.
The idea isn’t totally poor but in my opinion it encompasses too large a group of students with the huge risk of failure & I have not  read or heard anything about rescue procedures if all or part of this fails.
Perhaps this could be implemented by some states but not as it is currently written, with diverse volunteer groups within  specific school districts.  With smaller groups I feel you can evaluated achievement of lack of more accurately & modify things at an early stage before major damage is done.
AND, of course , for me, I  DO NOT like to see our government assuming more & more of the states rights & responsibilities, which is an whole topic within itself.
Thanks 
See you Sunday
Bev

On Jun 16, 2013, at 4:51 PM, George Miller wrote:

Bev:
 
As requested, here's the link to our report and video on the Common Core curriculum forum we had last week:
Let me know what you think.
 
Regards,
George Miller
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Comment by George on June 12, 2013 at 11:05pm

We're hearing event video periodically shown on local channels:

TW    Channel 20
Verizon 32
Charter     59
We should have our own link shortly.
Comment by George on June 12, 2013 at 11:01pm

From Doug Crosse:

John,

Thanks for your reply, but again the article states: "that the 

standards were DEVELOPED by State and education officials, working 

with teachers and parents." No parents were involved at any level. The 

Sate of CA did not develop the standards. The NGA adopted the 

standards, but did not develop them nor did the CCSSO or teachers. An 

honest factual statement is owed the public. If you doubt me, listen 

to the audio or ask Dr. Evers.

Doug

PS We both know the Ca. Dept. of Education has never misspoken.

On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Moore, John wrote:

 

> Mr. Crosse,

> Thank you for your email and raising the question about our coverage 

> of the Common Core forum.

> We are aware of the continuing dispute over the Common Core 

> standards, which is why we believed it important for us to attend 

> the forum and report on it for Star readers.

> Our review of the development of Common Core standards shows that 

> the umbrella organizations that oversaw their development are the 

> National Governors Association and the Council of Chief State School 

> Officers.

> The California Department of Education says teachers and others 

> provided feedback on the standards before they were adopted.

> John Moore

> Editor

> Ventura County Star | vcstar.com

> 550 Camarillo Center Drive | Camarillo, CA 93010

> Tel: 805.437.0200 | Fax: 805.437.0211

> jmoore@vcstar.com

> -----Original Message-----

> From: doug crosse 

> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:58 AM

> To: Moore, John; Margie Cochran

> Cc: Moore, Jean

> Subject: False info published

> VC Star

> John Moore, Ed

> I attended the Common Core forum in TO last night. In Jean Cowden 

> Moore's article today she provided false information that Dr. Bill 

> Evers clearly debunked at the meeting. She states and the highlight 

> box repeats that the standards were developed by "State and 

> education officials, working with teachers and parents." This as 

> Evers stated is absolutely false.

> "The standards were developed at the Federal level by a consortium 

> of partisan groups (CCSSO, Achieve, FTA, NEA, ACT, NGA and the Obama 

> Dept of Ed.) and written by the special interest companies who will 

> administer the testing. State officials, teachers and parents had no 

> input in CA. There were no public hearings here before CA adopted 

> them."

> This misrepresentation of the truth deserves more than a hidden- 

> minor correction in the paper.

> Doug Crosse

 

Comment by Anastasia Morove on June 12, 2013 at 10:03pm

Amazing event!  I wish I had been there and intended to come, but life intervened. Maybe parents can actually make their will felt in the Conejo Valley. How does this opting out thingamajig work?

Comment by Will Westerling on June 11, 2013 at 2:48pm

Thanks George!

Comment by Marc Langsam on June 11, 2013 at 2:45pm

I refuse to subscribe to the Communist Star. Let them fail and go out of business. If they feel that Common Core is the new way to go, how about something new and revolutionary - How about the Star becomes a watchdog for truth and not a lapdog for ideology? What an extreme concept!! How's that for critical thinking?

Comment by George on June 11, 2013 at 2:29pm

Thanks, Will, I just put your posting on our regional anti-Common Core Forum, which resides here: http://conejovalleyteaparty.ning.com/forum/topics/the-core-curriculum

Comment by George on June 11, 2013 at 2:27pm

Marc:  You're so right. Folks, strike a blow for free journalism: http://citizensjournal.us/battle-for-america-reinforcements-needed-...

We commence operations soon. In the meantime, put your reader comments on the VC Star.

Comment by Marc Langsam on June 11, 2013 at 2:24pm

Doug,

I saw the VC Star's piece today as well. It proves that if we can affect media bias (willful omission,  or distortion of the facts) and liberal academic bias, this country has a chance to rebound to greatness again. Common Core is grand scale Education Malpractice which disguises indoctrination as education!

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"There are 27 amendments in the Constitution but only one says 'shall not be infringed,'" Steve Toth said. "The Second Amendment is the amendment that keeps the people free."

“The States then being the parties to the constitutional compact, and in their sovereign capacity, it follows of necessity, that there can be no tribunal above their authority, to decide in the last resort, whether the compact made by them be violated; and consequently that as the parties to it, they must themselves decide in the last resort, such questions as may be of sufficient magnitude to require their interposition.” – James Madison 

"When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred." - Niccolo Machiavelli

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” - "Obama", 2008

"A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again."

This country does not need to have a conversation about how many bullets should go in a clip. It does need to have a conversation about how many parents should go in a family. It needs to talk about the ghettos of Obamerica and have a serious conversation about broken families and generational dependency. It needs to have a conversation about funneling new immigrants from broken parts of the world into areas already suffering from high levels of unemployment and street violence.- Daniel Greenfield

Gold is the money of kings, silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is the money of peasants and debt is the money of slaves.- Traditional

  ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!

A federal government which does not derive its lawful and limited authority from the Constitution of the United States is by definition an occupation government and criminal regime.  It’s authority is null and void and no one is bound by any rule of law to obey it. --Donald L. Cline

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson

“Disarmament of the populace is always the first step to depriving them of their civil rights and human rights…many African-Americans and women are actively assaulting the very document that first secured their own freedom... if you do not believe in the Bill of Rights, then you are not, at heart, an American.” – Mike Adams

Only in America could liberals talk about the greed of the rich at a $35,000 a plate campaign fund raising event.

We need to demythologize guns before the liberal attempt to create a totemic fear of them succeeds. If the gun control mentality promoting fear of guns themselves becomes our national mentality, we would turn the clock back to the days when a warrior class ruled over the people because only they had the confidence and expertise to deploy the means of defense and coercion. The gun control agenda will turn us into a people too timid to defend themselves from our would-be masters. – Alan Keyes

So now that there is a new tragedy the president wants to have a “national conversation on guns”. Here’s the thing. Until this national conversation is willing to entertain allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons, then it isn’t a conversation at all, it is a lecture. – Larry Correia'

During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai Stevenson: Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person! Stevenson called back: That's not enough, madam, we need a majority.

The economy is so bad, MSNBC had to lay off 300 Obama spokesmen. - Jay Leno

'Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

“What we’re watching here today is the equivalent of Woodward and Bernstein helping Nixon cover up Watergate,” he said. “The mainstream media is Woodward and Bernstein. Watergate is Benghazi. Except this time, Woodward and Bernstein are helping Nixon cover it up.”-- Russ Limbaugh

Lets see if I have this straight...Former President Bill Clinton ... who lied to his own wife... was convicted of perjury ... disbarred from practicing law in his home state... an admitted philanderer ... who "Never had sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" ... Impeached by the US House of Representatives ... is giving testimonials for Barrack Obama's character and intentions!!!???  Is this a great country or what!?

 "Thanking Obama for killing Bin Laden is like going into McDonalds and thanking Ronald McDonald for the hamburger. It's the guy cooking the burger that should get the credit, not the clown."

referring to 10-3-12 debate: "Obama made a lot of good points tonight. Unfortunately, most of them were for Romney." - Bill Maher, million dollar Obama donor

How can we stand up to someone that creates a 100 dollar Federal Reserve (FR) note for 2 cents and uses the face value of the note of 100 dollars to buy a 100 dollar U.S. Security where the government has to pay them 4% in interest at the end of the year? A yearly cost of 4 FR notes where it only cost the FR 2 cents to print.

This is the biggest Conspiracy you may ever encounter and this started sometime around 1913. Yes, your parents and their parents had so much of their time stolen from them at a cost of 2 pennies. And the National Debt is one big fraud. And this is not just in the United States but the whole world.- Steven Pattison

“Can you imagine a nation founded on the principles of God is being taken over by a party that despises God, denies God’s existence and wants to stab Israel in the back in order to support the Islamists who would kill the Jews and drive them out of the Middle East?”- - Michael Savage

"WE own this country, and when someone doesn't do the job "we have to let them go."- Clint Eastwood at RNC

"If you've got a business -- you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen”- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro

“Capital must protect itself in every possible way, both by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through the process of law, the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers. These truths are well known among our principal men who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance. It is thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished.”
- President American Bankers Association, 1924

"I think it is wonderful that Eric holder is making sure that Mexicans' second amendment rights are preserved!" - Bobby Florenz 

“My father was a hardcore conservative and a straight line Republican voter before he died. Now he votes Democrat.” (-Unknown)

Today, President Obama is calling for the same with the Buffett Rule.' Obama is under the mistaken impression that America's symbol is the bald ego." --The Wall Street Journal's James Taranto

 ‘In years to come there is going to be information that will come out that Obama was not the man who made the call. He can say he did and the people who really know what happened are inside the Pentagon, are in the military and the military isn’t allowed to speak out against the commander- in-chief so his secret is safe.’—Chris Kyle, former SEAL sniper

Remember just a few years ago when...

...the official unemployed was at 8.4 million instead of 12.4 million?

...the U.S. debt was at 9.5 trillion instead of 15.5 trillion?

...gas was $1.89 a gallon?

...the U.S. was friends with Isreal?

...food Stamp Recipients was at 29 million instead of 46 million?

...U.S. Astronauts didn't have to travel with Russians to go into space?

...our country's credit rating was a Triple AAA rating?

"Apparently, I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what Barack Obama does with mine."- David Burge

Rep. Randy Neugebauer put the burden into perspective: “It will take over 24 million man hours to comply with Dodd-Frank rules per year. It took only 20 million to build the Panama Canal.”

"Sixty-one percent of debt issued by the Treasury is bought by the Federal Reserve -- which is to say the left hand of the U.S. Government is lending money to the right hand of the US Government. ... Nonetheless, in a land where every mewling babe in the American nursery is born with a debt burden of just under $200,000, the president brags that only his party is 'compassionate' to have no plan whatsoever even to attempt to do anything about this, no way, no how, not now, not ever." --columnist Mark Steyn

Isn't it amazing how every facet of Sergeant Bales life,  high school, college, employment, why he left his employment, his brother’s employment, his wife’s employment, real estate holdings, a missed house payment , a missed promotion etc., is exposed within a week and the same fact finders can't find comparable info on the most powerful man in the world in three plus years ?

"We do not have a single document that proves Mr. Obama's birth in Hawaii or anywhere in the United States for that matter. The document is fake, the representation is fake.—Mike Zullo, Arpaio Posse Chief Investigator

" If they (SCOTUS destroy the Constitution, they will have destroyed that which created their positions." - Stewart Rhodes.

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, NOT to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." -- Abraham Lincoln

"Quick, name something that government does better than the private sector that doesn't involve detention, killing, or eliminating freedom." ----Bobby Florentz

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."---- Ronald Reagan (1911-2004) 40th US President


“The election of President Obama by the presidential electors, confirmed by Congress, makes the documents and testimony sought by plaintiff irrelevant,” Obama’s lawyer Jablonski said.

 

“The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.”
--Author Tom Clancy

 

But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace. "  

- Thomas Paine.

 

"Look, the Taliban, per se, is not our enemy.”

- VP Joe Biden
December 2011

 

"The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and for people, equally in war and peace, and it covers with its shield of protection all classes of men, at all times and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of men that any of its great provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government."

– Ex Parte Milligan (1866)

 

Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government ; and to declare expressly that the command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.
I remain, dear sir,
Your faithful friend and servant,

John Jay. 

 

Calling Ron Paul "out of the mainstream" is a double-edged sword, because it also means he can’t possibly be responsible for the condition of the country today. 

<!--[if !supportLists]-->-        - <!--[endif]-->Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

 

 A guy named Reggie Love leaving the White House to get a degree at the Wharton School of Business. I guess he realized you can't learn anything about economics in the Obama White House.

- Jay Leno

Laws and regulations which violate the Constitution are not obligatory upon any free man. 

(believed to be from George Washington.)

 

  “We’re at that awkward stage where it’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”

- Claire Wolf

 

Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the chairman of the National Transitional Council and de fact president, had already declared that Libyan laws in future would have Sharia, the Islamic code, as its "basic source".
-       The Telegraph (good job Barack!) 

 

Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent change inevitable     - Robert F. Kennedy

 

 "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -- Albert Einstein

  

The four boxes of LIBERTY:
1. soap
2. ballot
3. jury
4. ammo
.....in that order!

 

"The actual need for a service, its relevance and value is always subordinate to the bureaucracy. This is the difference from the private sector: you go into a shop, and the sales assistant asks, 'Can I be of assistance to you, sir?' You go into a government agency: 'Get to the back of the queue and wait until you are called!”'

-       Alistair Mcleod

 

 

 "Only Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different. His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me. The blunt poetry of his words. His unadorned insistence on respect. He promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline."  

– Barack Hussein Obama 

 

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

-Oscar Wilde

 

“Anyone with an Obama 2012 Bumper Sticker is a Threat to the Gene Pool”

Congressman Allen West

 

“The Only People Who Don’t Want to Disclose the Truth are Those with Something to Hide."

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro

 

"If it takes a village to raise your kid, you’re in the wrong country."

-  Seen by Tim Clack II

  

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro Soebarkah Bounel

  

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. " 

- Noam Chomsky

  

"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself." -

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro (we are, Barry)

 

"…whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force…"

Thomas Jefferson, Federal v. Consolidated Government

 

“Better to be paralyzed from the neck down than the neck up”

Charles Krauthammer.

 

"Sublata causa, tollitur effectus" (Remove the  cause and the effect will cease)

 "Civilization and anarchy are only seven meals apart"                          

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