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Will YOU Save Freedom? Catch The Tea Party Wave

 

The Tea Party movement has taken the nation by storm, in spite of attempts by the media and establishment to first ignore it, then dismiss it and now use all the tools in their Alinsky toolbox against it.  Initially protesting high taxes, spending and bailouts, it is maturing into a political movement that advocates a return to a constitutional republic, fiscal prudence and restoration of liberties.

 Tea Party Threat Made Good

 

How should the Tea Party address that? Protests? Voter education? Advocacy? Evaluating public officials and candidates?  PACs?  A third party?  Turn out the vote?

 

 

 

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Please let us know "What Should the Tea Party be Doing?"

 

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Let us know what role you would like to play

 

Some ideas for upcoming meetings discussed until after 10:00 PM, following a recent meeting

- More on the VC Biology (environmental) guidelines

- State budget, incl taxes, attempt to kill Prop 13, state pensions, etc. etc

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- Federal budget

- Political Comedy (sounds redundant)

- Lecture by well-known CA political writer

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- Constitution- general, 10th Amendment, 5th amendment, major Constitutional issues

- Obama impeachable offenses

 

 

 

 

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In my opinion, stress the Constitution above all other subjects and here is why I stress this;
1. Does the economy really matter if the Federal and State's Governments can basically force you into submission and seize anything it wishes? If they can come into your home and seize whatever they want, they can also seize any money you have, any assets you have, etc. Strict adherence to the Constitution would also mean that businesses could operate using ACTUAL free market principles instead of being overrun by the government.

2. Strict adherence to the Constitution by the Government would not only return liberty to the rightful place of the people, but allow the economy to flourish, would alleviate the tax burden and force the government to DRASTICALLY cut spending.
Here are a few ways that we might get closer to that:

1. Select worthy representatives. This requires a fair amount of diligence and we have not been very successful. People are busy with their lives, don't take the time and effort to learn/vet candidates. News Media filter out and distort the message. The candidates may misrepresent/omit their attributes. Tonight's GOP governor debate was a good example. We need to highlight and communicate facts about officials and candidates, as well as actively recruit and promote citizens who would better serve as guardians of the Constitution and our interests, which need to be aligned. The Tea Party can be a good institution to help with this, but changes also need to be made to the educational system, to better emphasize civics. We need practical citizen-driven politician recall procedures, but not so easy that they would be overly subject to the heat of the moment and partisan politics, but for serious, evident breaches. If an official was suspected of being ineligible, criminal, incompetent, misrepresenting, etc, those should be grounds for swift justice. We have seen cases where the state or nation is held hostage to such situations.

2. Work on better methods to ensure that legislation is constitutional and beneficial. A large amount of unconstitutional legislation is passed, because legislators don't know, don't care, or deliberately violate our Constitution. There doesn't seem to be a Constitutional check BEFORE the laws are passed. It is much more difficult to check them AFTER they are passed and implemented. Maybe we need a review process that might even include an independent, nonpartisan, or at least multipartisan boards to review proposed legislation for legality, excess spending and other problems-- sort of like a CBO for Constitutionality. It seems like Newt had a great idea with "The Contract With America," when a clear set of promises was made to the people, candidates ran for oiffice on these and actually accomplished quite a bit of it, using it as a blueprint for change, I only wish that they had continued it.

3. Improve Judicial process. The courts are supposed to check bad legislation, but the process is very slow, cumbersome, expensive and subject to political and legal manipulation-- de facto inaccessible to most citizens. The judicial appointment process is opaque, politically motivated. Relying upon politicians or the BAR to vet candidates is putting the fox in charge of the hen house. Opening up the selection and vetting process might be a good idea. Judicial elections have mixed results, but voter recalls should be faciliatated, although not made too easy. More out of court settlements and simpified judicial routes should be employed. Implementing #1 and #2 would reduce the caseload in the first place. The recent Senatorial confirmation of Supreme Court nominee Sotomayor was instructive, not only because a partisan majority rammed it through without honest debate, but that some of the minority party rolled over and confirmed , even though they knew of unconstitutional and partisan tendencies of the nominee. A lifetime apopointment without ready recall procedures does proetct sitting judges from political pressure, but lacks adequate checks and balances.

4. More checks on the Executive. The executive branch selectively enforces the law or even makes its own. It seems that the legislature has the tools to deal with this, but it doesn't. Over the years, the executive branch has assumed too much power in many jurisdictions, with bad precedents being set and reinforced. A reversal needs to be orchestarted, by officials coming to power in all three branches to reverse this. The recent spectacle of members of Congress simply wringing their hands over unaccountable Czars, illegal "executive orders" and other serious abuses has been unchecked for a long time, actually, not just during the Age of Obama. On the other hand, we must make sure that we do not hamper the executive branch so much that it is hog-tied and unable to respond to pressing needs.
Even if you cannot protest or write letters or send e-mails you can do your part by discussing the issues with friends family neighbors associates & anyone with ears! Please get envolved no matter how small it is, feel good about your part by talking about the issues that are hurting you. Someday we will look back and be very proud of ourselves for stopping this administration from taking away what our forefathers and our military has faught so hard to keep in place! Keep the Constitution Alive!
Tea partiers vow revenge over health overhaul

Instead of being discouraged by passage of health care reform, tea party activists across the country say the defeat is a rallying cry that makes them more focused than ever on voting out any lawmaker who supported the measure.

"We're not going to stop..... read more:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9EKEMJO3&show_article=1
There's usually a "silver lining". Sometimes we have to look really, really hard for it.

I can think of the following so far:

1. We all saw how corrupt, coniving, secretive, etc. our Democrat president, senators and representatives are. They lied to us repeatedly. They misled us repeatedly. They had to bribe their own party members to cram this bill through. The end justifies the means. No one with any moral fiber will ever trust anything they say or do in the future. They have proven themselves to be pond scum.

2. Many of us who were not "awake" before are now, as a result of watching #1. We must not be too hard on Obama voters who see the light now. They were deceived by the pretense that he was a moderate. It was pure "bait and switch".

3. We not only see what "they" have been doing in the last year, now we see what has been happening to our country for many years. Our country and it's institutions have been infiltrated by socialists, Marxists, and communists for decades. Most of us didn't know that. We do now. You can't exterminate cockroaches if you don't know that they are there. You also need to know where they are hiding. Now we know who they are and where to find them.

4. It's a war for the survival of our country as our founders envisioned it. We've been fighting by the rules. It's obvious that the Democrats fought dirty. I'm not suggesting we fight dirty too, just to be aware of it...and we need to publically call them on it every time it happens. The media won't do it. We have to do it.

5. Obama tried to move the statist agenda forward too quickly. Now it's all out in the open. We've been had and we're angry. Let's use the energy from that anger to set it right.

I'm sure there's more. I'm really looking forward to the lawsuits!
I don't know the answer but think about this:

What was the original Tea Party about?

What is in the hearts and minds of current tea partiers?

The thing we all have in common is a rebellion against authority and tyranny. Aren't most tea partiers independent types? Don't most of us believe the ultimate authority lies within ourselves (or perhaps God) and not in big government, politicians, political parties, or leaders?

Independent people have thoughts, opinions, and positions of their own, they are not blind followers who can be expected to conform to a party platform or the decisions of a leader or a committee.

How does this relate to tea party leadership? You must realize that you cannot set a detailed platform or agenda and then get people to follow you. Any platform must be broad enough to include all independent lovers of liberty - because their participation will be their own choice. You cannot coerce it. They come together only to the degree and only for the period of time in which their ideals and their interests are common. They can be expected to rally on the cry for liberty and for freedom. They will not necessarily share the same views on subjects such as abortion or drilling for oil.

What can tea party leadership do? Facilitate communication. Enable like-minded individuals to come together. Assist with logistics and coordination. Make relevant information easily accessible. Educate. Consider yourself a representative of the people: a servant, not a leader.

Look at Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation (the Tennessee Tea Party leader who got boycotted). Look at Dick Armey, whose views on immigration (opposite most tea partiers) have recently created a big backlash. These people may have done good things, but as soon as they attempt to set policies or lead, they are rejected. No, they cannot tell us where to go. They can only take us where we want to go by giving us the tools and logistics to get there. They cannot set the goal or the direction. That is up to us. Tea partiers are not followers, therefore they cannot be led. They can be organized, encouraged, assisted, but not led.

Best,
Lee
I couldn't agree with you more, Nicole. Seems like Obama's administration is purposely taunting and baiting and provoking us Tea Party Patriots. He also was heard during a speech (today?) taunting the Republicans... who want to repeal this unconstitutional health care bill...to bring it on. He is just waiting to declare martial law...he now is setting the stage for amnesty of illegals because he knows how volatile that issue is. No violence. We must use our words wisely and we will prevail. So help us, God.

Dede
If he declares martial law with flimsy justification, it will backfire big time, which would hurt him very badly-- but would hurt the U.S., too.

There's also a real question about whether the troops would back him -- does "Oathkeepers" ring a bell, anyone?
Yup-- and we gotta prevent that
This is what the Liberal world is being fed by the New Your Times, self-appointed "Newspaper of Record," feeding Left-wing propaganda to all. To read and uncritically believe this Liberal tripe, you would think that a wonderful thing just happened in Washington. Unless, of course, you had the intelligence to realize that Obamacare is really nothing of the sort. Among other things, it will also accomplish the following

- Unconstitutionally force you to get insurance of the type that only they can authorize
- Burden the nation with trillions in long term debt and higher taxes
- Have direct, unfettered access to your bank accounts
- Have the authority to decide what care you will get, how it will be administered and whether you will get care at all
- Set rates for medical care
- Remove control of much of the doctor-patient relationship from private hands
- Motivate about 1/3 of doctors to leave the medical field, creating a huge supply crunch and upward price pressure, just when the nation will have greater service demand and is least able to afford it.
- Create 160 new bureaucracies
- Unleash the IRS Gestapo to enforce this, hiring 16,000 new agents
- Mostly complete the takeover of 1/6 of the U.S. economy

.. and much, much more.
That's tough for people to follow threaded stuff that way, though. The NING people must agree, since they don't even offer us the option to do so.

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"The actual need for a service, its relevance and value is always subordinate to the bureaucracy. This is the difference from the private sector: you go into a shop, and the sales assistant asks, 'Can I be of assistance to you, sir?' You go into a government agency: 'Get to the back of the queue and wait until you are called!”'

-       Alistair Mcleod

 

 

 "Only Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different. His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me. The blunt poetry of his words. His unadorned insistence on respect. He promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline."  

– Barack Hussein Obama 

 

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

-Oscar Wilde

 

“Anyone with an Obama 2012 Bumper Sticker is a Threat to the Gene Pool”

Congressman Allen West

 

“The Only People Who Don’t Want to Disclose the Truth are Those with Something to Hide."

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro

 

"If it takes a village to raise your kid, you’re in the wrong country."

-  Seen by Tim Clack II

  

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro Soebarkah Bounel

  

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. " 

- Noam Chomsky

  

"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself." -

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro (we are, Barry)

 

"…whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force…"

Thomas Jefferson, Federal v. Consolidated Government

 

“Better to be paralyzed from the neck down than the neck up”

Charles Krauthammer.

 

"Sublata causa, tollitur effectus" (Remove the  cause and the effect will cease)

 "Civilization and anarchy are only seven meals apart"                          

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