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I'm comfortable with my belief that the legal strategy challenging Barry Soetoro's a.k.a. Barack Hussein Obama II eligibility has been frightfully wrong.  Today's hearing bears that out!  We already have a champion fighting the criminal aspect, from Sheriff Joe Arpiao, and he's doing a great job.  Whether anyone is listening is not his fault, it's ours because we fail to ramp it up to a fever pitch.

Every time Mario Apuzzo tried to introduce the fraudulent documents into the hearing today, the judge re-directed.  Why is that so hard to understand?  We have a strong Constitutional challenge that would require no less than a Supreme Court ruling to overturn the previous ruling, and it has nothing to do with the pResident's place of birth, as the Wong case complicates.  I will have to review the Wong Kim Ark case before I jump to any conclusions to its help or hindrance in this case.  I have yet to read thoughtfully enough, Mario's input from today, but here's Kerchner's take.

http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/nj-ballot-access-challe...

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

 

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You might have been misreading the events of the day. Counsel Apuzzo pointed out that the judge will first rule on the foreign father relevance to NBC and whether a certified birth certificate copy is required to be produced.  Only then would the validity of the certificate come into play.

My input was based on Kerchner's (who was in attendance) brief recollection of events, and it was even before Apuzzo's brief for the day popped up for me.  I didn't misread anything Kerchner stated in his blog to include "The judge asked a lot of questions on the natural born Citizen issue repeatedly interrupting the presentation by Attorney Mario Apuzzo.  On the issues of the  forged Obama documents, the judge did not wish to hear anything about that matter and refused to allow any evidence to be entered on those forgery issues since Obama had not presented his birth certificate or draft registration documents in any form to NJ.  Thus he said those issues of alleged forgery are not before his court."

I understand we may have an oral decision by 10 AM tomorrow.

Oral decision was supposed to be tonight, with written decision tomorrow. Seems pretty fast to me for the biggest political scandal in history. I wonder if he had his mind already made up, or words given to him to publish?

Have you thought about having your Tea party do a poll similar to ours?

George

I'm appalled by the insignificant treatment of this whole thing.  My biggest fear is going past the 2012 election with no resolution, in spite of the outcome for President.  It will silently create a precedent that will probably never be revisited.

 

I thought about the poll, but need to generate more interest for it to even be meaningful. 

Agree about the challenges.

I've been feeding our Tea Party people a very light diet of eligibility stuff for a long time. The Steering Committee wanted action, so I thought I'd poll the membership to see if we were in synch with them. We are --more so than I thought-- but it might only be with the more active ones who actually do stuff and respond to polls like that. But, when you get right down to it, the active ones are the most important, I suppose. Agree?

Like you George I have been feeding the members for about three months.  I remember one argument the first time I brought it up, "If there was any truth to it, wouldn't we have heard about it in the media?"  She was new to the group.  I did however, have one that really took off with it, and I agree the active ones need to be encouraged.  If interested read it, if not just ignore it.

 

From: ATHASM@aol.com To: athasm@aol.com Sent: 2/16/2012 6:59:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time Subj: VETTING REQUEST 29 FEB 2012
Hello everyone:

I am asking for your help in requesting our representatives to provide a clear and open process in verifying the qualifications of the candidates for President and Vice President. I find it unsettling that we have a large number of citizens feeling disenfranchised and questioning the qualifications of our current President to hold office. It was my belief that there was a government agency, somewhere, that investigated the background of the individuals running for President, etc. much like I have had to go through many times to gain a security clearance. As best as I could ascertain it turns out that no such process exists; it is left to the people and the political parties when they submit a candidate’s name to certify the individual is “qualified” for the office.

 http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_does_the_vetting_for_president_of_the_us.

The more I looked into the process I found that “natural born citizen” is not defined in the constitution and though the Supreme Court did address the definition in Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875) it still leaves room for interpretation. Thus it is a concern that the political parties could be using different standards through interpretation in qualifying their candidates. The following link provides some additional background on the subject: http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html. This is but one site; please do your own research on the subject, searching the internet, to form your own opinion.

I don’t think this is a Democrat/Republican or left/right issue, it should be of concern to all American Citizens no matter where we stand on the issues. We should all have confidence that the individuals on the ballot have all been vetted using the same standard and meet the qualifications for the office. If you agree please do the following:

1. Forward this email to everyone in your address book and ask that they likewise forward it to their address book contacts.

2. On February 29, 2012 copy the draft letter below (feel free to edit as you see fit) and send it to your Senators, Congressman, and the House and Senate leadership. Helpful links are provided below.

3. Consider sending a copy of the letter to your local and national media outlets (newspapers, TV, Radio, etc.).

This shouldn’t cost you anything but a few minutes of your time and the rewards in insuring none of our citizens are disenfranchised are priceless. If we all do this on February 29th it will be hard for our political representatives to ignore the issue.

I thank you for your support, together we can make it happen….

Chuck Athas

To the Honorable : 

It saddens me that the current system of having each Political Party certify that their candidates meet the Constitutional requirements for President and Vice President has resulted in a large number of our citizens feeling disenfranchised by the process. Further, it appears by the number of Court cases that have been brought up throughout the United States, that interpretation by the Parties of the Constitutional requirements for the office may differ resulting in qualifying candidates to different standards. 

We are now entering another Presidential election and it will be a travesty if the eligibility of all candidates is not publically vetted to remove any doubt that the individuals we are voting for meet the Constitutional requirements for the President and Vice President of the United States.  Should a candidate evoke the Privacy Act to block the public release of the documentation to validate their eligibility they should be barred from running for these offices.   The Offices are far too important to all Americans to consider individuals not willing to provide public release of the necessary documents to verify their eligibility.   

I call on you and your fellow Congressional Members to establish a bipartisan Committee or Commission with an equal number of members from the Republican and Democrat Parties to publically verify each individual candidate’s eligibility.  The proceedings and all supporting documents are to be released to the public for viewing.  The Committee/Commission results validating each individual’s eligibility shall be presented to the Supreme Court to certify the candidate meets the Constitutional requirements to hold the office they are seeking. 

I further ask that Congress request the Supreme Court to interpret the meanings of “Natural Born Citizen” and “Citizen” as it is used in the Constitution in the qualification for President and Vice President.  The Supreme Court should also provide a clear interpretation of all the requirements for all offices as written in the Constitution to remove any doubt of our Founders intent when writing the document and to ensure the same requirements are used for all candidates. 

I ask that you accomplish this task prior to the 2012 elections placing both the Congress and the Supreme Court on an accelerated schedule. 

Respectfully,

AALetter A

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“consequently, that the ultimate right of the parties to the Constitution (i.e. the States), to judge whether the compact has been dangerously violated, must extend to violations by one delegated authority as well as by another--by the judiciary as well as by the executive, or the legislature.” Virginia Assembly Report 1800, James Madison. 

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Everybody is still talking about the other baby, the royal baby. In fact, I saw that President Obama released a statement congratulating Prince William and Kate Middleton on the birth of their son. Then he said, “And whatever you do — hang on to that birth certificate.” - Jimmy Fallon

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Solution to the problem in Egypt :

They want a new Muslim leader, Give them ours. 

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“The States then being the parties to the constitutional compact, and in their sovereign capacity, it follows of necessity, that there can be no tribunal above their authority, to decide in the last resort, whether the compact made by them be violated; and consequently that as the parties to it, they must themselves decide in the last resort, such questions as may be of sufficient magnitude to require their interposition.” – James Madison 

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“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” - "Obama", 2008

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So now that there is a new tragedy the president wants to have a “national conversation on guns”. Here’s the thing. Until this national conversation is willing to entertain allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons, then it isn’t a conversation at all, it is a lecture. – Larry Correia'

During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai Stevenson: Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person! Stevenson called back: That's not enough, madam, we need a majority.

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'Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

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 "Thanking Obama for killing Bin Laden is like going into McDonalds and thanking Ronald McDonald for the hamburger. It's the guy cooking the burger that should get the credit, not the clown."

referring to 10-3-12 debate: "Obama made a lot of good points tonight. Unfortunately, most of them were for Romney." - Bill Maher, million dollar Obama donor

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This is the biggest Conspiracy you may ever encounter and this started sometime around 1913. Yes, your parents and their parents had so much of their time stolen from them at a cost of 2 pennies. And the National Debt is one big fraud. And this is not just in the United States but the whole world.- Steven Pattison

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...the U.S. debt was at 9.5 trillion instead of 15.5 trillion?

...gas was $1.89 a gallon?

...the U.S. was friends with Isreal?

...food Stamp Recipients was at 29 million instead of 46 million?

...U.S. Astronauts didn't have to travel with Russians to go into space?

...our country's credit rating was a Triple AAA rating?

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“The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.”
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But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace. "  

- Thomas Paine.

 

"Look, the Taliban, per se, is not our enemy.”

- VP Joe Biden
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"The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and for people, equally in war and peace, and it covers with its shield of protection all classes of men, at all times and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of men that any of its great provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government."

– Ex Parte Milligan (1866)

 

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John Jay. 

 

Calling Ron Paul "out of the mainstream" is a double-edged sword, because it also means he can’t possibly be responsible for the condition of the country today. 

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 A guy named Reggie Love leaving the White House to get a degree at the Wharton School of Business. I guess he realized you can't learn anything about economics in the Obama White House.

- Jay Leno

Laws and regulations which violate the Constitution are not obligatory upon any free man. 

(believed to be from George Washington.)

 

  “We’re at that awkward stage where it’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”

- Claire Wolf

 

Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the chairman of the National Transitional Council and de fact president, had already declared that Libyan laws in future would have Sharia, the Islamic code, as its "basic source".
-       The Telegraph (good job Barack!) 

 

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 "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -- Albert Einstein

  

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4. ammo
.....in that order!

 

"The actual need for a service, its relevance and value is always subordinate to the bureaucracy. This is the difference from the private sector: you go into a shop, and the sales assistant asks, 'Can I be of assistance to you, sir?' You go into a government agency: 'Get to the back of the queue and wait until you are called!”'

-       Alistair Mcleod

 

 

 "Only Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different. His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me. The blunt poetry of his words. His unadorned insistence on respect. He promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline."  

– Barack Hussein Obama 

 

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

-Oscar Wilde

 

“Anyone with an Obama 2012 Bumper Sticker is a Threat to the Gene Pool”

Congressman Allen West

 

“The Only People Who Don’t Want to Disclose the Truth are Those with Something to Hide."

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro

 

"If it takes a village to raise your kid, you’re in the wrong country."

-  Seen by Tim Clack II

  

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro Soebarkah Bounel

  

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. " 

- Noam Chomsky

  

"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself." -

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro (we are, Barry)

 

"…whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force…"

Thomas Jefferson, Federal v. Consolidated Government

 

“Better to be paralyzed from the neck down than the neck up”

Charles Krauthammer.

 

"Sublata causa, tollitur effectus" (Remove the  cause and the effect will cease)

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