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California and some other states have systems where law can be instituted via citizen voter initiatives. This has been a two-edged sword. On one hand, the public is empowered to bypass an unresponsive government and write its own laws, which are to be implemented with the full power of all government branches (Prop. 13 comes to mind). On the other hand, these propositions are sometimes poorly worded, mischaracterized by both sides and/or influenced/deflected by obstinate government officials and NGO campaigns (Prop. 187, Prop. 8).



This discussion  is intended to cover upcoming, proposed and already voted upon ballot propositions, or "ballot measures" and "voter initiatives," as they are sometimes referred to, with respect to their validity, legitimacy, workability, advocates and opposition, effect on the state and more. With some key measures coming up in Novembe, this should be interesting.




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California Ballot Proposition Voting Recommendations-- Santa Clarita Tea Party

Thanks to Lana from our steering Committee for getting these from Alice of TPP-SCV

Here are the positions that they decided to take:

California Proposition 19, the Marijuana Legalization Initiative
This is bad, vote no. We didn't spend a lot of time on this because everyone agreed it was bad.

California Proposition 20, Congressional Redistricting (2010)
This is a measure to strengthen the redistricting by citizens initiative (verses the legislature). It adds the federal congressional districts to the list. The previous one just had the "state" level not the federal level. This gives the citizens (not the legislature) more power. We feel this is good and are recommending yes.

California Proposition 21, Vehicle License Fee for Parks (2010)
We feel this is VERY bad and are recommending NO. The legislature stole 130 million dollars from the Parks fund to use for pensions and now want us to approve a tax to put the money back. It's bad for 3 reasons:
1. We are really voting on whether to keep funding the union pensions or not (not the parks)
2. There is NO guarantee that the legislature won't steal it again. We confirmed this with our assembly reps for our 2 districts down here at the candidate forum.
3. This is a sneaky way of bringing back the "car tax" that we voted down on 1A.

California Proposition 22, Ban on State Borrowing from Local Governments (2010)
We all agreed that this is good. The state should leave within it's means and stop taking money from local governments that are fiscally responsible. We are recommending YES.
(Ventura County TP still debating this one)

California Proposition 23, the Suspension of AB 32 (2010) ***** very important
There wasn't a lot of discussion on this one. AB 32 is referred to as the Global Warming Final Solutions Act in our group so anything that eliminates or slows it down was seen as good. We are recommending YES.

California Proposition 24, Repeal of Corporate Tax Breaks (2010)
We feel this is very bad because most small businesses operate a corporations and they are the job creators. Anything that makes our business climate worse should be avoided. We are recommending NO

California Proposition 25, Majority Vote for Legislature to Pass the Budget (2010) **** Vital
This will only further erode the balance of power to which ever group (DEM or REP) have the majority. That can only mean higher taxes for us all. We are recommending NO.

California Proposition 26, Supermajority Vote to Pass New Taxes and Fees (2010)*** Good. #25 is its "evil twin"
This requires a supermajority for not only "taxes" but also "fees" or whatever other new names they are calling taxes today. It closes this loophole, protecting taxpayers and consumers against efforts by the state legislature and local politicians to increase Hidden Taxes. We are recommending YES.

California Proposition 27, Elimination of Citizen Redistricting Commission (2010)
This is to take the redistricting away from the citizens and give it back to the legislature. That is bad. We are recommending NO.

by the way, even the citizen's redistricting initiative seems to be rigged, with demographic quotas, et al. It will bve interesting to see what emerges, if anything- VCTP editor
Pay Attention Now. Easy To Understand.

Hey all you CA voters...please be alert to what Prop 25 can do to endanger Prop 13.
Real Estate - Prop. 13 OVERTURNED

(Forwarded by Sandy)

To one and all…rest assured if Prop. 25 passes in the upcoming Nov. 2nd election, the subject headline above will follow just days later!

Prop. 25 will reduce the required Sacramento politician’s vote to make changes to California law from the two-thirds vote requirement currently to a simple-majority.

It is, and has been for years, a long standing fact that the

“liberal left-wing socialistic extremist Democrats” in Sacramento already have the simple-majority needed to overturn Prop. 13 should the voting requirement law change to passage by a simple-majority and it is absolutely certain they will do it.

Given this GUARANTIED FACT we ALL need to warn ALL of our friends, neighbors, associates, and yes even our enemies, to:


As we all know there are few things in life that are “guaranteed.”

One being death, another being taxes, and this fact:

Prop. 13 will be overturned if Prop. 25 wins!!!

If the guaranteed protection against HUGE R.E. property tax increases$$$ assured by Prop. 13 is lost there will be such an exodus of homeowners who will not be able to pay the monumental increase$$$ in their property tax that will have to sell. The market will then be flooded with properties and the drop in property values seen the past few of years will look like chump change.

Please, please, please send this email warning to every homeowner in your address book that lives in California :

From: Ellen Swenson
To: George Miller
Sent: 9/3/2010 11:15:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: Prop 27 Donor Info

Looks like the Dems are bringing their wallets out to kill the Citizen Redistricting that we voted for in 2008. Heard that Soros also gave $100k. We MUST kill this and PASS Prop 20!
Here's the info FYI:
CFRW Proposition Recommendations
November 2010 General Election Ballot
Conejo Federated Republican Womens' Federation


Prop 19- Changes California Law to Legalize
Marijuana and Allows It to Be Regulated and
Taxed: CFRW recommends a NO vote

Prop 20- Redistricting of Congressional
Districts by the Redistricting Committee:
CFRW recommends a YES vote

Prop 21- Establishes $18 Annual Vehicle
License Surcharge to Help Fund State Parks
and Wildlife Programs: CFRW recommends
a NO vote

Prop 22- Local Taxpayer, Public Safety, and
Transportation Protection Act of 2010: CFRW
recommends a NO vote

Prop 23- California Jobs Initiative to Suspend
AB 32: CFRW recommends a YES vote

Prop 24- Repeals Recent Legislation That
Would Allow Businesses to Carry Back
Losses, Share Tax Credits, and Use a Sales-
Based Income Calculation to Lower Taxable
Income: CFRW recommends a NO vote

Prop 25- Changes Legislative Vote
Requirement to Pass a Budget from Two-
Thirds to a Simple Majority. Retains Two-
Thirds Vote Requirement for Taxes: CFRW
recommends a NO vote

Prop 26- Increases Legislative Vote
Requirement to Two-Thirds for State
Levies and Charges. Imposes Additional
Requirements for Voters to Approve Local
Levies and Charges with Limited Exceptions:
CFRW recommends a YES vote

Prop 27- Eliminates State Commission on
Redistricting. Consolidates Authority for
Redistricting with Elected Representatives:
CFRW recommends a No vote
I'm leaning to "No" on 22. In fact my default position on Propositions is always "No," until they can be validated on their merits.

Also "No" on 27, which wasn't even on here. Calls for elimination of citizen redistricting and reverting to legislature to do it.
Statewide Propositions

Still more on the propositions, from
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2010 California Proposition Analysis, by Conejo Valley Tea Party Patriots

Jim Goodwin and Steve Croissant presented this at the 9-8-10 meeting. There was much lively discussion and the membership voted to affirm it, proposition by proposition. I thought it was an excellent meeting, with much learning taking place.

Proposition 19 – Legalize and Tax Marijuana – Statute
Federal law classifies marijuana as an illegal substance.
The basic state law classified the possession, cultivation or distribution as illegal.
Proposition 215 (1996) legalized marijuana for medical purposes.
The DOJ Has stated that it would not prosecute marijuana patients and providers whose actions are consistent with California laws.
Summary of Voter Guide
Proposition 19 legalizes marijuana under California, but not Federal law.
• It permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production, distribution and sale.
• It also limits marijuana to people over 21, no using in public, or with minors present, and no possession on school grounds.
• Cannot drive while impaired.
• Limits employers to address use only to situations where job performance is actually impaired.
Our primary conclusion is that the purpose of Proposition 19 is to legalize the recreational use of marijuana, not raise tax revenue. Tax revenue is only a sweetener to get votes to pass it.
The fiscal impact varies widely among the various analysts. When private party costs are considered, a net cost or savings is uncertain.
Common sense says that the more marijuana is generally available, the more will find its way to minors.
Marijuana is considered a “gateway drug”. The societal costs, both in dollars and in tears, of losing our young adults to the drug culture have not been considered. Also not addressed is the increase in costs to private citizens in terms of accidents caused by impaired persons and job loss in areas where a drug free workplace is required.
The law is unenforceable. Employers and police cannot act until accidents caused by impaired drivers or workers have already happened. No tests or standards that measure marijuana impairment are specified. Current tests indicate only that one has used marijuana in the last several days, and do not indicate current impairment.
California will not be able to meet federal drug-free standards to qualify for federal contracts.
If this proposition is enacted and deemed a failure in the future, the difficulty in repealing or changing it will be extremely difficult at best. Leaving a destructive situation in place for any length of time is unacceptable.
Our recommendation – vote no

Proposition 20 – Redistricting (US) Congregational Districts – Constitutional Amendment
The State Constitution requires the state to redistrict following each federal census.
Under Proposition 11, (Passed in 2008) a Citizen’s Redistricting Commission (CRC) will be established every 10 years and will consist of 5 Democrats, 5 Republicans, and 4 voters registered to other parties. The commission will redistrict for the State Assembly, the State Senate, and the State Board of Equalization (BOE). It will do its first redistricting for state offices after the census of 2010.
From 2000 to 2010, the population of CA has undergone a major shift eastward, with people moving inland – away from coastal areas. Net effect: CA’s congressional district boundaries will undergo major upheaval after the 2010 census. For example, San Francisco Bay Area grew less than 1% since last redistricting, while the Central Valley area has grown by 21%. Los Angeles County has grown 5%, while San Diego, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and Imperial Counties have grown by 17%.
California’s population has not grown relative to the rest of the U.S. and may have proportionally shrunk – resulting in the potential loss of one or two seats.
Summary of Voter Guide
Proposition 20 expands the authority of the CRC to also redraw the US Congressional districts.
The statute provides a number of criteria to eliminate drawing the districts to favor incumbents, candidates, or political parties.
Proposition 27 is also on the ballot this year. It basically eliminates Propositions 11 and 20, and gives the authority to redistrict for both state and federal offices back to the legislature. If both 20 and 27 pass, the measure that has the most yes votes will be the only one that will go into effect.
The point of the proposition is to take the politics out of redistricting. The opposing arguments avoid that point. Their arguments that redistricting will be less expensive if the Legislature does it are not an issue. The issue is that legislators have a strong bias to gerrymander and they have demonstrated that they will do it, repeatedly.
There are some savings and some costs, but the net costs are probably not significant.
A well-chosen citizens’ commission should redistrict more fairly than a group of politicians who have an interest in the outcome.
Note: In the Pasadena Republican Proposition Study Group, on August 28, one of the finalists in the CRC candidate-screening program described the process she had gone through and considered it to be fair and rigorous. A second woman, whose husband was screened out, agreed to the fair and rigorous conclusion.
Our recommendation - vote yes on 20

Proposition 21 – Vehicle License Fee for Parks - Statute
The state park system and the state wildlife agencies operate 278 state parks.
The overall state park budget has averaged about $300 million for the last 5 years, with about half coming from the general fund and half from user fees.
Wildlife conservation programs, typically about $100 million, are funded from the general fund, regulatory fees, and bond funds. Bond funds are primarily for land acquisition and capital projects.
Summary of Voter Guide
Proposition 21 requires a deposit of surcharge revenue in a new trust fund and requires that trust funds be used solely to operate, maintain and repair state parks and to protect wildlife and natural resources.
The surcharge is $18 per vehicle registered in the state.
Free day-use entry for California-licensed vehicles.
Commercial vehicles, etc. are exempted.
An annual audit is required.
This Proposition is not about improving the parks. It is about raising taxes, which are hidden as fees. It talks about parks, but shuffles the money around to be spent elsewhere
The fiscal impact is significant.
Follow the shell with the peal. The parks are typically budgeted for $300 with wildlife for $100 - total $400 million per year. Local fees raise about $50 million, so the net budget is $450 million. This proposition will raise about $500 million per year in increased auto taxes. Assuming that the entire $500 million is used for parks (which need a closer look). The current net $450 million can be moved to other parts of the budget. This is a tax increase of $500 million, or $450 million, if $50 million is provided to cover the current deferred maintenance.
This is also a massive transfer of funds from one group of taxpayers, all auto owners, to a smaller group, those who use state parks. This runs counter to the spirit of Proposition 26. Proposition 26 addresses the case where taxes are raised on one group of taxpayers and reduced for another. This hidden entitlement requires all vehicle owners to subsidize a targeted smaller group who will reap the benefits in perpetuity.
Our recommendation - vote no

Proposition 22 – State Government Prohibited from Taking Designated Types of Local Funds – A Constitutional Amendment
Under the State Constitution, the state and local governments share in the revenue raised by certain taxes. The state collects them and proportions them out to local governments. For the past several years, the state has not provided the full share of the tax revenue to the local governments, and they have reassigned some of the state obligations to the local governments while keeping the revenue to support them.
Summary of Voter Guide
Prohibits the state from borrowing or taking funds used for transportation, redevelopment, or local government projects and services. Revenues derived from locally imposed taxes such as: hotel, parcel, utility and sales taxes, are dedicated to cities, counties, special districts and redevelopment agencies. They are used to fund public safety, emergency and transportation funds, including funds from the Proposition 42 gas tax and HUTA gas tax. Under proposition 22, the state would not be allowed to take these tax revenues.
The fiscal effect in 2010 – 11: Proposition 22 will shift about $1 billion from the general fund back to local governments, or about 1percent of the general fund. After 2011: The general fund will send $1 to several billion per year back.
Local Governments’ revenue would increase by an equal amount.
Bottom line: this is a local governments’ attempt to keep the state from raiding their revenue or adding to their costs.
This is a continuation of the battle over state raids on local government revenues. Propositions 1A of 2004 and 1A of 2006 have each tried to redress this and apparently failed.
Our recommendation - vote yes

Proposition 23 – California Job Initiative (Suspends AB 32) - Statute
AB (Assembly Bill) 32, the California Global Warming Solutions Act, was enacted in 2006 to limit greenhouse gasses (GHG). It established a target of reducing these to the 1990 level by 2020, which is about 30 percent below where it was projected to be in 2020.
Global warming theoretical causes are currently in limbo. The groups of weather scientists which have been promoting global warming theory have had their data discredited, and have been shown to be aware that they were using bad data – even distorting the data themselves. Since the “e-mails” were leaked, there has been no scientific movement on global warming research. The UN is questioning the supporting research groups, while the groups themselves are trying to reconstitute themselves under different names. The initial criminal investigation in England has absolved the scientists of criminal wrongdoing, but a second investigation is under discussion.
Summary of Voter Guide
Proposition 23 suspends implementation of the Air Pollution Control Law (AB 32 – California’s Cap and Trade Law) until unemployment drops to 5.5 percent or less for four consecutive quarters.
If AB 32 is suspended, the following will also be suspended:
• The cap and trade regulations, which are the major part of the bill.
• The “low carbon fuel standards.”
• Regulations that require utilities to get at least 33% of their power from “renewable” sources.
• The fees on industry to recover the state agency cost of administering AB 32.
If AB 32 is suspended, the following will probably continue:
• New emission standards for cars and small trucks.
• Programs to encourage homeowners to install solar panels.
• Land use policies to promote less reliance on vehicle use.
• Building and appliance energy efficiency improvments.
AB 32 is California’s version of “Cap and Trade”. AB 32 is a tax raiser, pure and simple.
The fiscal impact of suspending AB 32 is a matter of debate because the AB 32 is still debatable.
Concern over unemployment – 8 counties currently have over 20% unemployed. Since 2001, CA has lost 34% of manufacturing jobs.
California jumped the gun with AB 32. Global warming and/or its causes have not been scientifically proven or disproven. Since global warming research has been discredited, there has been no scientific movement on global warming research. However, the politicians keep pushing their laws to be passed, and the media keep running the old tapes.
Most of the “scientists” quoted by the media as “voting” for global warming have no qualifications in weather science.
Our recommendation - vote yes

Proposition 24 – Repeals Three Previously Negotiated Corporate Tax Breaks - Statute
This proposition would change three provisions of the tax law, which were part of a budget agreement between the Legislature and the Governor.
Summary of Voter Guide
• Repeals recent legislation that would allow businesses to shift operating losses to prior tax years and would extend the period permitted to shift operating losses to future tax years.
• Repeals recent legislation that would allow corporations to share tax credits with affiliated corporations.
• Repeals recent legislation that would allow multi-state businesses to use a sales-based income calculation rather than a combination of property, payroll, and sales-based income calculation.
This Proposition is an attempt to re-raise taxes that have just been lowered.
The fiscal impact is an Increase in state revenue by $1.3 billion in 2012 and later. Lesser increases in 2010 and 2011. More than half of the revenue would be generated from multi-state businesses by repealing the sales-based income calculation.
The increase in State revenue is a decrease in private revenue and would result in lost jobs.
Elimination of the tax carry back and carry forward will hit business hard. In this economic environment, many if not most businesses have losses for years that they are trying to balance against profitable years in order to stay in business. The politicians will not get the tax they expect because the businesses will close and the jobs will disappear.
The change to the sales-based income calculation will cause multi-state businesses to reconfigure their California profiles to reduce their taxes. Again, the Politicians will not get the taxes they expect and jobs will leave the state. The added burden to businesses makes them less competitive in the marketplace, With the California economy being one of the largest in the world, it would not benefit business, taxpayers, or revenue generated. It would only fuel more exoduses to friendlier states and countries, thus shrinking the leadership position of California, as viewed by the rest of the country and the world.
Our recommendation - vote no

Proposition 25 – On Time Budget Act of 2010 – Constitutional Amendment
The Constitution requires that:
• The Governor must propose a budget for the next fiscal year by January 10.
• Both houses pass the budget by June 15 and send it to the Governor.
• The Governor can sign or use his line-item veto. No date specified.
• The legislature can override the governor with a two-thirds vote. No date specified.
• There is no also date specified in the Constitution when the final budget must be put into law.
Summary of Voter Guide
Proposition 25 changes the legislative vote requirement necessary to pass the state budget and related spending bills from a two thirds vote to a simple majority.
Provides that if the legislature fails to pass a budget bill by June 15, all members of the Legislature will permanently forfeit any reimbursement for salary and expenses, for every day, until the day that the Legislature passes a budget bill.
The real issue for Proposition 25 is to change the vote to pass a budget from a two-thirds vote, to a simple majority. This allows tax-raising bills to be included in the budget, with a simple majority. This is political dynamite!
$50,000 per day savings of legislators’ salaries and expenses, if a budget is not passed by June 15. Insignificant!
On the surface, this proposition looks like a straightforward way to get lawmakers to do their jobs. However, not paying legislators after June 15 is a straw man.
If Proposition 25 passes, kiss Prop. 13 goodbye.
Our recommendation – vote hell no

Proposition 26 – Defines Fees vs. Taxes and Vote Requirements to Pass Each - Constitutional Amendment
Currently, state and local governments impose a variety of taxes, fees and charges.
Tax increases require a two-thirds vote by the legislature, or the voters, while fees only require simple majority votes.
Some tax increases would be redefined as fees by legislators, in order to reduce the two-thirds vote requirement.
Property charges, such as those imposed on developers, generally require a simple majority, but some require a two-thirds vote, by property owners or local voters.
Summary of Voter Guide
Expands the scope of what a state or local tax is, by reclassifying some fees as taxes. Fees that benefit the public broadly are redefined as taxes.
Raises the approval requirements for some state proposals by requiring a two thirds vote to approve laws which increase taxes on any taxpayer, even if the overall effect does not increase state revenues. Laws that increase taxes on some taxpayers, but offer a reduction to others, have previously been viewed as not increasing revenues.
Repeals laws passed between January 1, 2010 and November 2, 2010, which conflict with Proposition 26, unless they are approved again by a two-thirds vote, by November 2011.
This proposition is an attempt to stop politicians from redefining taxes as fees, in order to avoid the two-thirds vote to raise taxes.
The fiscal impact depends upon what the legislature and local governments do, but it would probably significantly reduce revenues. Statewide, it could reach $1 billion.
The opposing arguments generally claim that Proposition 26 protects polluters and public nuisances such as oil, tobacco, and alcohol companies.
The state charges fees and fines to some companies for hazardous spills, air pollution, nuisance, etc. Laws on these charges prior to January 1, 2010 would be grandfathered, but new laws may have to meet the two-thirds vote requirement.
Taxes, which are increased for some taxpayer groups and reduced for others, are a wealth transfer, and would be stopped with this proposition.
Our recommendation – vote yes.

Proposition 27 – Reassigns Redistricting Back to the Legislature – Constitutional Amendment
Same as Proposition 20
Summary of Voter Guide
• Eliminates the Citizen’s Redistricting Commission (CRC).
• Consolidates authority to redistrict to the Legislature and Board of Equalization (BOE).
• Reduces the budget for redistricting.
• Provides that voters have the authority to reject district boundaries
• Requires that district populations for the same office to be the same.
• Deletes existing rules to:
- Not favor political parties
- Develop geographically compact districts
- Placing two Assembly Districts together within one Senate District. In addition, Placing ten Senate Districts together within one BOE district.
Proposition 20 increases the authority of the CRC to include redistricting for the US Legislature. If both measures pass, the measure that has the most yes votes will be the only one that would go into effect.
Proposition 27 should be named the Incumbent Protection Act. It is an attempt by the politicians to carry on with their gerrymandering ways.
There is no significant fiscal impact.
Returns redistricting to business as usual – Politicians are back in charge.
The provision to give voters the authority to reject the district boundaries seems to be just a public hearing. Public hearings usually only allow the public to comment, but not to reject.
Redrawing districts to be the same size sounds good, but the real issue is the deletion of the rules not to favor political parties, etc.
Our Position – vote no

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Subject: No on Prop. 22 – A message from Lew Uhler

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Dear Fellow Conservative:

In 2004, California voters approved Prop. 1A, which was designed to assure repayment to local governments of tax revenues destined for local governments but “borrowed” by the state to meet a budget crisis. Local governments drafted, and uniformly supported, the measure.

No sooner had this measure been put to use then some local governments – cities, transit districts and redevelopment agencies – abandoned this reasonable approach and created Prop. 22 to advance their own special interests at the expense of counties, schools, public safety providers and other essential services.

Prop. 22 violates our core conservative principles. It is another ballot-box budgeting scheme that is going to wreak more havoc on our state budget and encourage pork projects and exorbitant salaries for local bureaucrats. Most egregious, this measure creates new, constitutional protection and funding for redevelopment agencies. Redevelopment agencies fly in the face of limited government. They use our tax dollars to assume large amounts of debt, abuse powers of eminent domain to take away people’s homes, businesses and churches, only to turn around and give handouts to private interests – all without any voter oversight.

Redevelopment agencies divert more than $6 billion in property taxes each year. Currently, redevelopment agency debt tops $93 billion statewide. Taxpayers are on the hook for that tab if the redevelopment agencies fail in any way. Redevelopment is too often simply a source of corporate welfare.

If Prop. 22 passes, redevelopment agencies will acquire constitutional rights to ring up debt, hand out corporate welfare and take our property.


Lew Uhler
President, National Taxpayer Limitation Committee

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No on 22: Assemblymember Chris Norby on why Proposition 22 is a taxpayer rip-off

I asked Rick Smolin from the High Desert Tea Party to review Prop 22, he is an attorney, and he too agreed that this sounds good on the surface but it is indeed a bad propositions and his recommendation is a NO vote as well. I have included some published details from Assemblyman Chris Norby on why this is a bad proposition. I hope this helps. If I can get you any additional info, please let me know.

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From the FlashReport
No on 22: Reject the Redevelopment Power Grab
By Assemblyman Chris Norby
August 15, 2010

Proposition 22 is a power grab by California redevelopment agencies.

It protects agencies from legislative and voter oversight, allowing them to spend more tax dollars, seize more land and sell more bonds. Redevelopment agencies now control 30% of all urbanized land and spend 12% of all property taxes, starving local agencies of needed revenues for essential services.

Proposition 22 would make the following big government abuses worse:

EMINENT DOMAIN: All properties within a redevelopment areas are presumed to be blighted and can seized them by eminent domain. This has included small businesses, homes, churches and farmland. In the infamous Kelo vs. New London decision, a 5-4 liberal Supreme Court majority allowed a Connecticut redevelopment agency to take Suzette Kelo’s home for a private development—that was never built! All attempts to end eminent domain abuse have since been been fought by the California Redevelopment Association.

GROWING PROPERTY TAX DIVERSIONS: Redevelopment’s share of property taxes continues to grow without voter approval. Fully 12% of local property taxes are now diverted into redevelopment schemes, a figure that has doubled since 1990. That’s $6 billion annually in funds diverted from counties, cities, school districts, special districts and fire service districts.

IMPACT ON SERVICES: Counties have lost nearly
$5 billion in the past 15 years. California’s 350 fire service district stand to lose millions more if Proposition 22 passes, which is why the California Professional Firefighters strongly opposes it. Local school districts are major losers, as tax dollars intended to build classrooms now build Costcos. Proposition 22 would make this revenue shift permanent, pressuring tax increases to make up the difference.

CORPORATE WELFARE: Republicans believe in a free market that functions best without government controls or subsidies. Yet redevelopment agencies pour billions of tax dollars into private malls, auto plazas, movie multiplexes, hotels and stadiums —many of which now sit empty. Team owners shake down cities for public money for new stadiums and arenas. The Santa Clara Redevelopment agency is spending $14 million in public funds to lure the 49ers out of San Francisco and the Chargers are also eying public giveaways elsewhere. Proposition 22 locks in the wasteful spending and continues to enrich politically favored developers.

DEBT: Redevelopment agencies have total statewide debt now topping $93 billion and continue to sell bonds without voter approval. Proposition 22 locks in this abuse, assuring that future debt will extend well above $100 billion. That’s why the National Tax Limitation Committee and Silicon Valley Taxpayers Association oppose Prop. 22.

Proposition 22 makes it impossible for the legislature to reform the worst abuses of redevelopment agencies. Their big government powers of land use, eminent domain, subsidies and uncontrolled debt will be enshrined in our constitution.

As a conservative elected official for 26 years, I have seen redevelopment abuses at all levels. As a Fullerton City Council Member I watched nearby Buena Park lure away our auto dealerships with lavish tax subsidies. As an Orange County Supervisor I saw the Santa Ana Redevelopment Agency demolish an entire neighborhood, then leave the fenced off lots vacant for years. I saw millions in property tax revenues diverted from public safety to redevelopment schemes.

As a state legislator I seek controls on redevelopment spending, bond debt and property tax growth. Proposition 22 would prevent any and all such reforms.

Based on my experience and research, I wrote the manual “Redevelopment: The Unknown Government” with the aid of conservative philanthropist Howard Ahmanson. Call 714-813-5899 for your copy.

Redevelopment agencies were originally created to cure urban blight and then be abolished. They were never intended to be a permanent drain on public services, nor a cash cow for private interests. Proposition 22 will constitutionally guarantee the worst abuses of redevelopment agencies.

Republicans support property rights, free enterprise, fiscal responsibility and public accountability. We must oppose Proposition 22.

Read the orginal column on the FlashReport

Assemblyman Chris Norby represents the 72nd Assembly District. He also serves as State Chair of Municipal Officials for Redevelopment Reform (MORR) and moderates regional meetings seeking to curb abuses.

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Editorial: It's the wrong time for Prop. 22

Uh, oh. I was against it, but now that I hear the Star is too, I wonder what is wrong with my thinking :-). They are against it for the very reasons I liked it, namely that it would claw back money from the state.

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Prop 22 Revisited

I'm not a lawyer (obviously) and I feel like my head is going to explode just from reading the text of prop 22. I agree with the Conejo Tea Party that "the proposal is far too convoluted" with a large possibility of ambiguity or misunderstanding and it should be rewritten. My belief if that the HCD funding must be addressed separately, as many like myself find continual development through eminent domain unsettling. I hate to say NO because I like this prop in theory. However I can go along with a NO vote here.

I would like to hear more arguments at the meeting first, I think we should stay neutral until then.


Meeting referred to is Oct 6. Opinions may also be expressed at Tuesday, Sept. 21 meeting in Ventura, or comment on the blog posting or in here.-- ed.
Facts about Carbon dioxide and greenhouse gases

Written by Larry Naritelli, 2010 GOP primary candidate for CA Governor. This is relevant to Prop 23.- ed.

1. No element is more essential to life than carbon because only carbon forms strong single bonds to itself that are stable enough to resist chemical attack under ambient conditions. This gives carbon the ability to form long chains and rings of atoms, which are the structural basis for many compounds that comprise the living cell, of which the most important is DNA. Carbon is the basis of life itself.
2. Carbon Dioxide transfers the sun’s energy into living cells through photosynthesis. It is used in the creation of all types of food and is the carbo in carbohydrates.
3. Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air so it settles to the ground and flows down to the oceans much like water except it is in a gaseous state which is odorless and colorless.
4. Along with other greenhouse gases it stabilizes the temperature of the planet by absorbing the sun’s energy during the day and then radiating it off at night.
5. It is the Clean Air of the Clean Air Acts as leaders from past generations realized the best way to remove toxic gas from the atmosphere was to turn it into carbon dioxide.
6. It is not combustible and in fact is used in fire extinguishers to put fires out.
7. Here is a link to an article about AB 32 and prop 23.

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“consequently, that the ultimate right of the parties to the Constitution (i.e. the States), to judge whether the compact has been dangerously violated, must extend to violations by one delegated authority as well as by another--by the judiciary as well as by the executive, or the legislature.” Virginia Assembly Report 1800, James Madison. 

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McCain remarks from inside the Egy territory to the W.Post insults the Egy sovereignty.we consider him persona non unwelcome person— Egyptian Cabinet (@Cabinet_eg) August 6, 2013

"A lawyer is a person who knows the law" (Black’s Law Dictionary & other.) "It is said that all persons are presumed to know the law, meaning that ignorance of the Law excuses no one." (16 AM JUR 2D Sec. 178, 256.) Therefore all persons are presumed to be Lawyers.- Randy Due (illegally klidnapped by FBI and detained) 

A federal government which does not derive its lawful and limited authority from the Constitution of the United States is by definition an occupation government and criminal regime.  It’s authority is null and void and no one is bound by any rule of law to obey it.  --Donald L. Cline

When Party Loyalty Demands You Support a Creep, It's Time to Walk Away-- Jim Geraghty

Everybody is still talking about the other baby, the royal baby. In fact, I saw that President Obama released a statement congratulating Prince William and Kate Middleton on the birth of their son. Then he said, “And whatever you do — hang on to that birth certificate.” - Jimmy Fallon

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”-- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro Bounel Soebarkah

"And if you didn't know, the only difference between socialism and communism is an AK-47 aimed at your head."-  Quang Nguyen

Solution to the problem in Egypt :

They want a new Muslim leader, Give them ours. 

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-          Roger Ailes, Fox News

When Satan is knocking at your door, simply say, "Jesus, could You please get that for me.

- unknown

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“The States then being the parties to the constitutional compact, and in their sovereign capacity, it follows of necessity, that there can be no tribunal above their authority, to decide in the last resort, whether the compact made by them be violated; and consequently that as the parties to it, they must themselves decide in the last resort, such questions as may be of sufficient magnitude to require their interposition.” – James Madison 

"When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred." - Niccolo Machiavelli

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” - "Obama", 2008

"A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again."

This country does not need to have a conversation about how many bullets should go in a clip. It does need to have a conversation about how many parents should go in a family. It needs to talk about the ghettos of Obamerica and have a serious conversation about broken families and generational dependency. It needs to have a conversation about funneling new immigrants from broken parts of the world into areas already suffering from high levels of unemployment and street violence.- Daniel Greenfield

Gold is the money of kings, silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is the money of peasants and debt is the money of slaves.- Traditional


A federal government which does not derive its lawful and limited authority from the Constitution of the United States is by definition an occupation government and criminal regime.  It’s authority is null and void and no one is bound by any rule of law to obey it. --Donald L. Cline

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson

“Disarmament of the populace is always the first step to depriving them of their civil rights and human rights…many African-Americans and women are actively assaulting the very document that first secured their own freedom... if you do not believe in the Bill of Rights, then you are not, at heart, an American.” – Mike Adams

Only in America could liberals talk about the greed of the rich at a $35,000 a plate campaign fund raising event.

We need to demythologize guns before the liberal attempt to create a totemic fear of them succeeds. If the gun control mentality promoting fear of guns themselves becomes our national mentality, we would turn the clock back to the days when a warrior class ruled over the people because only they had the confidence and expertise to deploy the means of defense and coercion. The gun control agenda will turn us into a people too timid to defend themselves from our would-be masters. – Alan Keyes

So now that there is a new tragedy the president wants to have a “national conversation on guns”. Here’s the thing. Until this national conversation is willing to entertain allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons, then it isn’t a conversation at all, it is a lecture. – Larry Correia'

During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai Stevenson: Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person! Stevenson called back: That's not enough, madam, we need a majority.

The economy is so bad, MSNBC had to lay off 300 Obama spokesmen. - Jay Leno

'Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

“What we’re watching here today is the equivalent of Woodward and Bernstein helping Nixon cover up Watergate,” he said. “The mainstream media is Woodward and Bernstein. Watergate is Benghazi. Except this time, Woodward and Bernstein are helping Nixon cover it up.”-- Russ Limbaugh

Lets see if I have this straight...Former President Bill Clinton ... who lied to his own wife... was convicted of perjury ... disbarred from practicing law in his home state... an admitted philanderer ... who "Never had sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" ... Impeached by the US House of Representatives ... is giving testimonials for Barrack Obama's character and intentions!!!???  Is this a great country or what!?

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referring to 10-3-12 debate: "Obama made a lot of good points tonight. Unfortunately, most of them were for Romney." - Bill Maher, million dollar Obama donor

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This is the biggest Conspiracy you may ever encounter and this started sometime around 1913. Yes, your parents and their parents had so much of their time stolen from them at a cost of 2 pennies. And the National Debt is one big fraud. And this is not just in the United States but the whole world.- Steven Pattison

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"WE own this country, and when someone doesn't do the job "we have to let them go."- Clint Eastwood at RNC

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“Capital must protect itself in every possible way, both by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through the process of law, the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers. These truths are well known among our principal men who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance. It is thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished.”
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Remember just a few years ago when...

...the official unemployed was at 8.4 million instead of 12.4 million?

...the U.S. debt was at 9.5 trillion instead of 15.5 trillion?

...gas was $1.89 a gallon?

...the U.S. was friends with Isreal? Stamp Recipients was at 29 million instead of 46 million?

...U.S. Astronauts didn't have to travel with Russians to go into space?

...our country's credit rating was a Triple AAA rating?

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“The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.”
--Author Tom Clancy


But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace. "  

- Thomas Paine.


"Look, the Taliban, per se, is not our enemy.”

- VP Joe Biden
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"The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and for people, equally in war and peace, and it covers with its shield of protection all classes of men, at all times and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of men that any of its great provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government."

– Ex Parte Milligan (1866)


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John Jay. 


Calling Ron Paul "out of the mainstream" is a double-edged sword, because it also means he can’t possibly be responsible for the condition of the country today. 

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 A guy named Reggie Love leaving the White House to get a degree at the Wharton School of Business. I guess he realized you can't learn anything about economics in the Obama White House.

- Jay Leno

Laws and regulations which violate the Constitution are not obligatory upon any free man. 

(believed to be from George Washington.)


  “We’re at that awkward stage where it’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”

- Claire Wolf


Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the chairman of the National Transitional Council and de fact president, had already declared that Libyan laws in future would have Sharia, the Islamic code, as its "basic source".
-       The Telegraph (good job Barack!) 


Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent change inevitable     - Robert F. Kennedy


 "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -- Albert Einstein


The four boxes of LIBERTY:
1. soap
2. ballot
3. jury
4. ammo that order!


"The actual need for a service, its relevance and value is always subordinate to the bureaucracy. This is the difference from the private sector: you go into a shop, and the sales assistant asks, 'Can I be of assistance to you, sir?' You go into a government agency: 'Get to the back of the queue and wait until you are called!”'

-       Alistair Mcleod



 "Only Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different. His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me. The blunt poetry of his words. His unadorned insistence on respect. He promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline."  

– Barack Hussein Obama 


“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

-Oscar Wilde


“Anyone with an Obama 2012 Bumper Sticker is a Threat to the Gene Pool”

Congressman Allen West


“The Only People Who Don’t Want to Disclose the Truth are Those with Something to Hide."

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro


"If it takes a village to raise your kid, you’re in the wrong country."

-  Seen by Tim Clack II


"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro Soebarkah Bounel


"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. " 

- Noam Chomsky


"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself." -

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro (we are, Barry)


"…whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force…"

Thomas Jefferson, Federal v. Consolidated Government


“Better to be paralyzed from the neck down than the neck up”

Charles Krauthammer.


"Sublata causa, tollitur effectus" (Remove the  cause and the effect will cease)

 "Civilization and anarchy are only seven meals apart"                          

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