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California and some other states have systems where law can be instituted via citizen voter initiatives. This has been a two-edged sword. On one hand, the public is empowered to bypass an unresponsive government and write its own laws, which are to be implemented with the full power of all government branches (Prop. 13 comes to mind). On the other hand, these propositions are sometimes poorly worded, mischaracterized by both sides and/or influenced/deflected by obstinate government officials and NGO campaigns (Prop. 187, Prop. 8).



This discussion  is intended to cover upcoming, proposed and already voted upon ballot propositions, or "ballot measures" and "voter initiatives," as they are sometimes referred to, with respect to their validity, legitimacy, workability, advocates and opposition, effect on the state and more. With some key measures coming up in Novembe, this should be interesting.




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There is some disagreement in the Conservative/Tea Party community over 32 and 37

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San Fernando Valley Republican Club
November Ballot Recommendations
For Propositions
September 16, 2012
Dear George , 

I am sending you this revised list of ballot recommendations for the Propositions.  To illustrate how confusing these propositions can be, I made an error on Proposition 40.  If you want to retain the current district lines for State Senate and not turn it over to the courts, you should vote YES on Proposition 40.  I had previously recommended a NO vote because I thought a no vote meant to retain the current districts.  The only change below is on Proposition 40.

The following are the recommendations of the San Fernando Valley Republican Club on the eleven propositions on the November 2012 ballot.  For more in depth information, visit our website at:


Number Official Title
30 Temporary taxes to fund education 
(Constitutional Amendment)

31 State Budget. Local Government (Constitutional Amendment) NO
32 Prohibits Political Contributions by Payroll Deduction YES
33 Changes Law to allow auto insurance companies to set prices NO
34 Death Penalty Repeal NO

35 Human Trafficking. Penalties. Sex Offender Registration. YES
36 Three Strikes Law NO
37 Genetically Engineered Food. Mandatory Labeling NO
38 Tax for education and early childhood programs NO
39 Tax Treatment for multi-state businesses NO
40 Redistricting.  State Senate Districts YES
Feel free to contact me if you have questions about any of the recommendations.

Gary Aminoff
San Fernando Valley Republican Club

Recommendations on Statewide Propositions- San Fernando Vsalley Republicans
Propositions 30 -40

There are 11 Propositions on the November ballot, numbers 30-40.  If you didn't attend last month's meeting or you would like to know what our recommendations are on how to vote on the Propositions, visit our website, and click on Talking Points.  The link is:

From Christina Powers

I read the text of prop 31 prior to this article and I have to say I was alarmed  at some of the language which I posted on my facebook page. This article seals  the deal for me. I will be voting no. We need to fix this problem the right way. 
Here are CRA (California Republican Assembly) positions on the ballot measures:  

Gov. Jerry Brown's 7-year, 1-to 3-percent personal income tax hike on those earning $250,000 or more with a 4-year kicker of a quarter-cent hike in the CA sales tax. Prop 30 hitches itself to Brown's High Speed Rail (HSR), too. It's a kind of "caboose tax" built to cover interest on the bond debt of the "train to nowhere." Prop 30 changes the CA constitution to eliminate state funding to local governments for "mandates" and ends state funding for open-meeting costs of local legislative bodies under the Ralph M. Brown Act. Look out for local governments paying more, getting less and legislative bodies doing more behind closed doors.) - VOTE NO
Shifts CA from annual to 2-year budget cycle with implementation costs to local governments of up to tens of millions of dollars. Robert Hertzberg, former Speaker of the State Assembly, is backing this one to the hilt. It is a giant step toward Agenda 21's regional governance. Look for twice the pea-and-shell games with the budget process and with government by commission. - VOTE NO
Campaign Finance:
Stops or restricts union political payroll deductions without an annual "opt-in" authorization and prohibits government contractors (including Limited Liability Corporations) from contributing to government officials that award contracts. This is the strongest initiative on the ballot to help CA voters pick the lock on paycheck politics and the "domestic partnership" between the Democrats and public sector unions. Look for unions to handcuff this in court or in a future initiative if it passes)
Campaign Finance:
CA insurance companies pay an "insurance premium tax" not a corporate tax. This measure grants a narrowly defined premium "continuous coverage" discount for 3 groups of drivers--including military personnel--that have had a lapse in coverage. There is also some "Big Brother" language about vehicle mileage/usage linked to the coverage.  CRA TOOK A NEUTRAL POSITION--My position is NO
Repeals CA's 34-year-old death penalty law and permits CA Supreme Court to transfer death penalty cases currently under appeal to lower appellate or superior courts. Establishes a SAFE fund of $100 million to taken from the General Fund between 2012-2016 by the state attorney general to be distributed to local law enforcement agencies for murder and rape cases. Death penalty deterrent dies. Consequences of housing for life is potentially higher prison costs, but lower court costs since appeals process for death penalty cases evaporates.  VOTE NO
Campaign Finance:
Expands the definition of human sex/labor trafficking and multiplies jail time from more than double or triple for non-violent offenses and up to life with use-of-force offenses involving a minor. Fines jump from $100,000 to more than $1.5 million. Mandates that registered sex offenders provide law enforcement with ALL internet provider info including emails. Look for First Amendment and privacy cases in this well-intended proposal that will increase criminal justice costs to counties and cities by a couple of million and drag CA into territory usually reserved for the Feds.  VOTE YES
Campaign Finance:
A get-out-of-jail-free card for "Three Strikes" offenders with non-violent convictions. A money-saving proposal to cut prison costs, sentences and post-release parole/probation expenses. Takes the cuffs off the 1994 act, which mandated sentencing guidelines. Look for local jurisdictions to bear the brunt of retraining and resentencing costs, plus a potential crime spike.) Weaken Three Strikes. - VOTE NO
WARNING: This is a trial lawyers wet dream. This proposal allows consumers to sue--under the state's Consumer Legal Remedies Act--just about any grower, manufacturer or distributor in the food chain, even if there is no demonstrable violation. The Department of Public Health gets to eyeball the labels. Look for food prices to jump as the food industry passes along up to $1 million in annual costs to the consumer.) - VOTE NO
Campaign Finance:
This is millionaire Molly Munger's (Charles Munger's sister) personal income tax hike on anyone earning an annual income of $7,316 or above. This is a "progressive" tax rate increase of  0.4 to 2.2-percent for 12 years without ANY ability of amendment by the CA legislature. Munger dislikes Gov. Brown so while his debt-relief tax bill targets college-aged kids, hers targets early childhood education and daycare for low-income families. Place your bets on which of the "dueling tax hikes" will win. According to CA law, the one with most actual votes will trump the competition. Look for Munger to trump Brown on election day because toddlers don't vote, but their parents do. - VOTE NO, NO AND NO
This is another "Son of Proposition 98," which mandates state-funded minimums for education. This sequel is "Corporate 'Green' Goes to College." Herd the current three-legged CA multi-state tax rates into one designated pen and hit corporations with a no-choice rate tax. Sweeten the "clean-green machine" for 5 years with about half of the money, then let the public schools and community colleges pig out. - VOTE NO
Campaign Finance:
This gets the sour grapes award due to the sponsors. Check the link above. The choice is to let the Citizens Redistricting Commission lines for CA senate districts stand or let "special masters"--usually a panel of appointed, retired judges--draw the lines. Look for it to pass because few folks were happy with the assembly and congressional district lines. Overturn Senate Gerrymandering. - VOTE NO
  CRA took a different position from the CRP on Propositions 31, 33 and 40, taking the the more principled stand on Props 31 and 40. Proposition 33 is identical to two other ballot measures that CRA had endorsed in the past.  It was just few short votes of the two-thirds needed for endorsement at our Convention in April 2012, so we took a neutral position. 
Special thank you to Adam Abrahms, Steve Frank and Tom Hudson for their research and in out and the amazing Karen Kinney.

Proposition #     CRAPosition Type of Measure Subject
30 No Constitutional Amendment Tax Hike (Jerry Brown)
31 No Constitutional Amendment & Statute Two-Year Budget Cycle & Related Governance Changes (California Forward)
32 Yes Statute Mandatory Public-Sector Union Dues: Prohibition "Stop Special Interest Money Now"
33 Neutral Statute Auto Insurance Price Setting: Driver Coverage History
34 No Statute Repeal Death Penalty
35 Yes Statute Human Trafficking: "Californians for Sexual Exploitation Act"
36 No Statute "Three Strikes" Dilution
37 No Statute Genetically-Engineered Foods: Mandatory Labeling
38 No Statute Income Tax Hike: Education (Molly Munger)
39 No Statute Taxes on Multi-State Businesses: Single Sales Factor
40 No Referendum Overturn Citizens Redistricting Commission State Senate Plan (A "No" vote is a vote to overturn the plan.)
Steve Frank
From: Annie Rumary 
Subject: RE: MLTP Prop analysis
Date: October 3, 2012 9:25:03 AM PDT
To: 'John Pero' , 'Terry Nielson' , 'Ca TP leadership' 

We agree with you John. Our voter guide is Yes on 32 and NO on all the rest.  35 is simply a ‘feel good’ initiative. You feel good voting yes on it because it makes you feel like you’re tough on crime. What makes someone who smuggled someone into the country and violently raped them any worse of a criminal than someone who broke into your neighbor’s home, and violently raped the woman… or little girl or boy…  inside. The prop says the first one is worse – it’s not. It’s equally heinous and they should all be put in the ground in my opinion but that’s another rant.
Annie Rumary
Redlands Tea Party Patriots
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No on CA Prop. 31- Rosa Koire- Anti-Agenda 21 Activist

California's Prop 31 IS UN Agenda 21

We have too many laws so I mostly vote no on all propositions.  Prop 32 actually gets rid of the law forcing workers to pay union dues automatically out of their paychecks.  Getting rid of a law is a great thing and a rare  opportunity.  Yes on 32

But, read on.  That's not all it does.

I'm voting NO on all Props.

Some of my valued Conservatives friends and associates disagree on 32 and 37. Fair enough. 

My response:

No on ALL.

32- NO
Please re-read the proposition
Then, re-read the 1st Amendment
37- NO
People who DON"T use GMO should be happy to advertise that as a perceived competitive advantage. Without GMO, there would now be world famine, although not all GMO is good. We don't need government to manage this for us.

I agree with George, No on 32.  Here is the gotcha:

Prohibiting corporations and unions from giving to candidates

This is a first amendment right and you know that after the Corporations are banned the Unions will be allowed by a Judge.

#32 also violates 1st Amendment rights of both union and corporate owners. Of course another question is: do the union and corp political expenditures represent the will of said members?

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3. jury
4. ammo that order!


"The actual need for a service, its relevance and value is always subordinate to the bureaucracy. This is the difference from the private sector: you go into a shop, and the sales assistant asks, 'Can I be of assistance to you, sir?' You go into a government agency: 'Get to the back of the queue and wait until you are called!”'

-       Alistair Mcleod



 "Only Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different. His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me. The blunt poetry of his words. His unadorned insistence on respect. He promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline."  

– Barack Hussein Obama 


“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

-Oscar Wilde


“Anyone with an Obama 2012 Bumper Sticker is a Threat to the Gene Pool”

Congressman Allen West


“The Only People Who Don’t Want to Disclose the Truth are Those with Something to Hide."

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro


"If it takes a village to raise your kid, you’re in the wrong country."

-  Seen by Tim Clack II


"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro Soebarkah Bounel


"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. " 

- Noam Chomsky


"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself." -

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro (we are, Barry)


"…whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force…"

Thomas Jefferson, Federal v. Consolidated Government


“Better to be paralyzed from the neck down than the neck up”

Charles Krauthammer.


"Sublata causa, tollitur effectus" (Remove the  cause and the effect will cease)

 "Civilization and anarchy are only seven meals apart"                          

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