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California and some other states have systems where law can be instituted via citizen voter initiatives. This has been a two-edged sword. On one hand, the public is empowered to bypass an unresponsive government and write its own laws, which are to be implemented with the full power of all government branches (Prop. 13 comes to mind). On the other hand, these propositions are sometimes poorly worded, mischaracterized by both sides and/or influenced/deflected by obstinate government officials and NGO campaigns (Prop. 187, Prop. 8).

 

 

This discussion  is intended to cover upcoming, proposed and already voted upon ballot propositions, or "ballot measures" and "voter initiatives," as they are sometimes referred to, with respect to their validity, legitimacy, workability, advocates and opposition, effect on the state and more. With some key measures coming up in Novembe, this should be interesting.

 

 

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There is some disagreement in the Conservative/Tea Party community over 32 and 37

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This article is relevant to prop 22 though it makes no mention of it.

http://www.personalliberty.com/asset-and-wealth-protection/a-seriou...

When cities are raided of the $$ for local services, they take out muni-bonds to cover many of the services anyway. Right now according to this article , "California has 380 different local redevelopment agencies which collectively owe $29 billion."

In other words, cities borrow the money to cover services which puts them at greater risk for default because right now it is ALL a house of cards: The state can't bail them out, there's no money!

We all know the states are at threat for bond default but so are the cities --a problem that state raids have made much worse.

Just another take on a complex problem. Makes me lean in favor of prop 22, but as I said I will stay neutral for now until I hear more.

LDP
CRA (California Republican Assembly) positions on the Propositions

Source: http://californiarepublicanassembly.com/content/cra-endorsements

Proposition 19: NO (Marijuana legalization.)

Proposition 20: YES (This would allow the independent State Commission on Redistricting to re-draw the Congressional Districts in the same manner as they are already authorized by Proposition 11 to re-draw the Legislative District boundaries.)

Proposition 21: NO (This would increase the Vehicle License Fee by $18, but in return taxpayers would allegedly receive free parking at state parks, at least until the Democrats find some other way to tax people who seek to use public parks.)

Proposition 22: NEUTRAL (This initiative would prevent the Legislature from raiding local government funds, as defined. Among many other things, it would explicitly protect redevelopment funding, which has historically been used for corporate welfare, crony capitalism, and eminent domain abuse.)

Proposition 23: YES (This is the California Jobs Initiative to suspend AB 32.)

Proposition 24: NO (This is a $2 billion tax increase aimed at businesses, which are already struggling to stay in business without leaving California.)

Proposition 25: NO (This initiative would eliminate the two-thirds vote requirement for passage of the state budget and it would cause legislators to forfeit their salaries and travel allowances if the budget is not adopted by June 15 each year. Although the ballot summary claims that it would leave the current two-thirds requirement for tax increases unchanged, the text of the amendment itself makes it certain that the Democrats could increase taxes by majority vote, too.)

Proposition 26: YES (Requires a two-thirds vote for certain fee increases. This initiative fixes the damage done by the California Supreme Court in the infamous Sinclair Paint case.)

Proposition 27: NO (Eliminates the independent State Commission on Redistricting.)
MEG WHITMAN ANNOUNCES HER POSITIONS ON NOVEMBER PROPOSITIONS


Another reason to vote against nutmeg. Check her position on 23 -- I wish the Jarvis people would pull their endorsement.
Sarah

Quite a bit different from most of the Tea Parties' positions, huh? --ed.


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From: Meg 2010
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Subject: Whitman Announces Her Positions On November Propositions - September 23, 2010

MEG WHITMAN ANNOUNCES HER POSITIONS ON
NOVEMBER PROPOSITIONS

Meg Whitman, Republican nominee for Governor, today announced her positions on the propositions facing California voters this November.


"As I considered the various propositions facing California voters in November, I consulted policy experts and thought carefully about what each proposition would to do help our state immediately start creating the good jobs we need as well as put our state's financial house back in good order. I urge every voter to study each of these propositions carefully so they can make their own informed decision."

Meg Whitman also released the following statement reiterating her consistent support for a one-year moratorium on California's climate change legislation AB 32, and her decision to oppose Proposition 23. She has studied the measure carefully and listened to many Californians before reaching her decision. Please see her statement below:

"As I've said for more than a year, AB 32 as it stands today is a job killer. We must fix it. My plan is to suspend AB 32 for at least one year while we develop the sensible improvements the law badly needs to protect the jobs of hard working Californians while improving our environment.

This is not an easy issue. While green jobs are an important and growing part of our state's economic future, we cannot forget the other 97% of jobs in key sectors like manufacturing, agriculture, transportation and energy. We compete for jobs with many other states and our environmental policy must reflect that reality.

While Proposition 23 does address the job killing aspects of AB 32, it does not offer a sensible balance between our vital need for good jobs and the desire of all Californians to protect our precious environment. It is too simple of a solution for a complex problem. I believe that my plan to fix AB 32 strikes the right balance for California. I will vote "no" on Proposition 23."

As outlined in a 2009 op-ed from Whitman in the San Jose Mercury News, Meg Whitman is in favor of a one-year moratorium on AB 32-related rules instead of a full repeal of the regulations. Read the full op-ed here: http://go.emaildirect.com/_p_ga4x2nq3bafubuyxydvuzjkxjdvw2jtsgdruzj...
Congresswoman Lois Capps Wants to Steal Citizens' Right to Control Election Redistricting.

Tom Watson's Latest Press Release


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 23, 2010

SANTA BARBARA --

Tom Watson, Republican candidate for Congress in the 23rd District, today noted a contribution by Congresswoman Lois Capps for Yes on Prop 27 is more proof that she is “tone deaf to the will of the people.” Proposition 27 would overturn the initiative passed by California voters in 2008 that put redistricting in the hands of citizens, not politicians.

http://www.watson4congress.com/
Santa Barbara Tea Party Proposition Recommendations
TEA PARTY RECOMMENDATIONS
STATEWIDE PROPOSITIONS

The following recommendations are based on the tea party principles of Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Government, Defense of the Constitution and Bill of Rights; recommendations are a result of voting by representatives of CA tea parties.

Proposition 19: Also known as The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010. Legalizes Recreational Marijuana Use. - NO

Would legalize various marijuana-related activities, allow local governments to regulate these activities, permit local governments (but not the state government) to impose and collect marijuana-related fees and taxes and authorize various criminal and civil penalties.

Bottom Line: In addition to expanding use of marijuana, this would also expand bureaucracy. In addition, we disagree with the claims that the taxes collected will pay for the new agency and associated costs.
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Proposition 20: Adds Congressional Reapportionment to the Authority of the Citizens Redistricting Commission Created by Prop 11 of 2008 - Voters First Act for Congress - YES

Removes elected representatives from the process of establishing congressional districts and transfers that authority to the recently-authorized 14-member redistricting commission. Redistricting commission is comprised of five Democrats, five Republicans, and four voters registered with neither party.

Bottom Line - We want to be in charge of our Districts. Individual citizens, not the highly partisan California State Legislature, should make these decisions.

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Proposition 21 - Funding for State Parks - NO

Imposes a $18.00 VLF ( Vehicle License Fee ) on ALL California automobile registrations as well as motorcycle and boat fees etc. The purpose is to create a "Trust Fund" for the State Park System.

Bottom Line: This is a Progressive's Dream. Punitive, regressive measure aimed at transportation, heavily backed by unions, since they are guaranteed construction contracts, along with groups like Tree Huggers, International (that isn't a joke).

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Proposition 22 - Prohibits the State from Taking Funds Used for Transportation or Local Government Projects and Services. - YES

Significant constraints on state authority over city, county, special district, and redevelopment agency funds. As a result, higher and more stable local resources, potentially affecting billions of dollars in some years. Commensurate reductions in state resources, resulting in major decreases in state spending and/or increases in state revenues.

Bottom Line - This will stop state government from taking, borrowing, shifting or restricting use of tax revenues dedicated by law to fund local government, community redevelopment or transportation projects.


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Proposition 23: Rolls Back AB 32, California's Greenhouse Gas Emissions Law, Until the State's Unemployment Rate Drops to 5.5 Percent or Less for Four Consecutive Quarters - YES

AB 32, "the Golden State's version of a Cap-and-Trade Carbon Tax," was enacted in 2006. The goal of AB 32 is to cap state-created greenhouse gases by 2020, based on 1990 emissions. Governors can suspend AB 32. This bill is insurance against a Brown win, since he supports AB 32.

Bottom Line: Businesses in California are suffering under the Burden of AB 32. We have already seen severe job losses and businesses locating to friendlier states. Prop 23 will help us create a vigorous California economy. .

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Proposition 24: Repeals recently enacted Corporate Tax Breaks that allow businesses carry back losses, share tax credits, and use a sales-based income calculation to lower taxable income. - NO

Bottom Line - Do we really want to encourage more businesses to leave and go to other states that are more more business friendly?

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Proposition 25: The Majority Vote for the Legislature to Pass the Budget Act Reduces Legislative Vote Requirement to pass a budget from Two-Thirds to a Simple Majority. - NO

Bottom Line - The Legislature is spending too much of our money now. If we make it easier, their spending habits will get worse.


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Proposition 26: The Supermajority Vote to Pass New Taxes and Fees Act. Increases legislative vote requirement to impose state levies and charges from a simple majority to two-thirds. - YES

Changes Constitution to require voters to approve, either by two-thirds or majority, local levies and charges with limited exceptions.

Bottom Line: Why make it any easier for the Legislature to pile on more taxes under the guise of fees? This needs to stop.

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Proposition 27: Elimination of the Citizen Redistricting Commission - Eliminates State Commission on Redistricting created by Prop. 11 of 2008, putting all reapportionment authority back in the Legislatures hands. Consolidates Authority for Redistricting with Elected Representatives. NO

Eliminates 14-member redistricting commission selected from applicant pool picked by government auditors. Consolidates authority for establishing state Assembly, Senate, and Board of Equalization district boundaries with elected state representatives responsible for drawing congressional districts.

Bottom Line - This is an attempt at Politics as Usual. The Legislature wants to use Redistricting as a Political Tool to personally benefit from the outcome. We need to hold politicians accountable; gerrymandered districts cannot.



All recommendations are based on Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Government, Free Market, Respect for the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and a Government that Answers to the People.
Assemblyman Chuck DeVore’s statewide ballot proposition recommendationsOct 02 2010

Proposition 19: NO – Marijuana legalization
My biggest concern with this initiative, aside from the basic policy considerations, are two large unintended consequences: 1) will drug abuse grow, thus putting more of a strain on our out-of-control welfare system; 2) the impact of lawsuits on employers seeking to enforce a zero-tolerance policy (especially important in the defense industry).

Proposition 20: YES – Redistricting reform extended to Congress
Prop. 20 will make the independent State Commission on Redistricting re-draw Congressional Districts in 2011, instead of the legislature working with liberal interests, just as the independent commission will re-draw Legislative district boundaries per 2008’s Proposition 11.

Proposition 21: NO – Vehicle license fee hike of $18
Increases the Vehicle License Fee (VLF) by $18. The VLF was already almost doubled during the largest tax increase in U.S. history at the state level in Feb. 2009. This $18 tax is supposed to give all California licensed cars the ability to enter state parks for free – of course, many Californians never, or infrequently, use state parks, so this is really more of a tax than a fee.

Proposition 22: NO – Redevelopment agency protection
Initially, I was in favor of this initiative, as I thought it dealt solely with protecting local funds from raids by Sacramento. As I studied it I discovered otherwise. Prop. 22 is really about protecting often abusing redevelopment agencies from Sacramento. Redevelopment agencies use eminent domain to take property from one private owner and give it to another. They are legally state, not local agencies, and they have been diverting ever larger chunks of local property tax revenue (now some 12 percent) away from local schools, fire departments, and special districts.

Proposition 23: YES – Suspends California’s greenhouse gas reduction law

In 2006 the Legislature passed AB 32, a bill that aims to reduce California’s greenhouse gas emissions by 30 percent in ten years. This task will be impossible without massive additional job losses or the full-scale implementation of modern nuclear power. Prop. 23 simply says that, until California’s unemployment rate dips back below 5.5 percent for a year, AB 32 will remain on hold.

Proposition 24: NO – Makes California more hostile to business and job creation
Increases taxes by $2 billion on California businesses, both large and small.

Proposition 25: NO – Makes it easier to grow government and raise taxes
Eliminates the two-thirds vote requirement to pass the state budget, making easier to grow government thus, increasing the pressure to raise taxes.

Proposition 26: YES – Makes it harder to raise taxes by disguising them as fees
Taxes require a two-thirds vote to increase in California. Fee increases require a simple majority. Why the difference? Taxes are supposed to go to the General Fund while fees are designed to offset the cost of a government “service” or a regulatory good (such as pollution control). Desperate for more cash, Democrats have taken to passing majority vote fees that are really new taxes, Prop. 26 would end this growing practice.

Proposition 27: NO – Turns back the clock on redistricting reform
Sponsored by public unions and Democrats, this initiative eliminates the independent State Commission on Redistricting so liberal lawmakers can draw their own district lines in 2011 so the politicians can chose the voters instead of the voters choosing the politicians.
Tom McClintock on the Propositions

Prop 19: When Worlds Collide. NO. If this simply allowed people to cultivate and smoke marijuana themselves and left the rest of us alone, it would be worth considering. But it goes much further and provides that "no person shall be discriminated against or denied any right or privilege" for pot use, inviting a lawsuit every time an employer tries to require a drug test, for example. If you want to smoke pot in your own world, I don't care. But don't bring it into mine.

Prop 20: Congressional Redistricting. YES. This finishes the work we began in 2008 to get redistricting decisions away from self-interested state legislators and into the hands of a bi-partisan commission. The original reform omitted Congressional districts – this simply adds them.

Prop 21: Highway Robbery. NO. Right now, state park users pay a nominal fee that helps pay for upkeep, assuring that those who use our state parks help pay for them. This measure ends the day-user fee and shifts the cost to the rest of us by imposing an $18 per car tax increase whether we use the parks or not. Stealing money from highway travelers used to be called "highway robbery." Now it's called "Proposition 21."

Prop 22: Hands Off Our Money. YES. This takes a giant leap toward restoring local government independence and protecting our transportation taxes by prohibiting state raids on local and transportation funds. Local governments are hardly paragons of virtue, but local tax revenues should remain local.

Prop 23: Liberation from the Environmental Left. YES. In 2006, Sacramento's rocket-scientists enacted AB 32, imposing draconian restrictions on carbon dioxide emissions (yes, that's the stuff you exhale). They promised to save the planet from "global warming" and open a cornucopia of new jobs. Since then, California's unemployment rate has shot far beyond the national unemployment rate and the earth has continued to warm and cool as it has for billions of years. Prop 23 merely holds the Environmental Left to its promise: it suspends AB 32 until unemployment stabilizes at or below its pre-AB 32 level.

Prop 24: Because Taxes Just Aren't High Enough. NO. This is a predictable entry by the public employee unions to impose an additional $1.7 billion tax on businesses. The problem, of course, is that businesses don't pay business taxes – we do. Business taxes can only be paid in three ways: by us as consumers (through higher prices), by us as employees (through lower wages) and by us as investors (through lower earnings on our 401(k)'s).

Prop 25: Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire. NO. This changes the 2/3 vote requirement for the state budget to a simple majority – a reform I have long supported. Experience has shown that the current 2/3 vote requirement for the budget does not restrain spending and it utterly blurs accountability. But such a reform MUST repair the 2/3 vote requirement for all tax increases and restore constitutional spending and borrowing limits. Without these provisions, Prop. 25 would be a disaster for taxpayers and a recipe for bankruptcy.

Prop 26: Calling a Tax a Tax. YES. Under the infamous Sinclair Paint decision, virtually any tax may be increased by majority vote as long as it is called a "fee," gutting the 2/3 vote requirement in the state constitution to raise taxes. Prop. 26 rescinds Sinclair Paint, restores the Constitution, and calls a tax a tax.

Prop 27: OMG. NO. Want to go back to the days when politicians drew their own district lines, literally choosing their own voters? This will get us there.
Tom McClintock weighs in...

McClintock on the Propositions

Prop 19: When Worlds Collide. NO. If this simply allowed people to cultivate and smoke marijuana themselves and left the rest of us alone, it would be worth considering. But it goes much further and provides that "no person shall be discriminated against or denied any right or privilege" for pot use, inviting a lawsuit every time an employer tries to require a drug test, for example. If you want to smoke pot in your own world, I don't care. But don't bring it into mine.

Prop 20: Congressional Redistricting. YES. This finishes the work we began in 2008 to get redistricting decisions away from self-interested state legislators and into the hands of a bi-partisan commission. The original reform omitted Congressional districts – this simply adds them.

Prop 21: Highway Robbery. NO. Right now, state park users pay a nominal fee that helps pay for upkeep, assuring that those who use our state parks help pay for them. This measure ends the day-user fee and shifts the cost to the rest of us by imposing an $18 per car tax increase whether we use the parks or not. Stealing money from highway travelers used to be called "highway robbery." Now it's called "Proposition 21."

Prop 22: Hands Off Our Money. YES. This takes a giant leap toward restoring local government independence and protecting our transportation taxes by prohibiting state raids on local and transportation funds. Local governments are hardly paragons of virtue, but local tax revenues should remain local.

Prop 23: Liberation from the Environmental Left. YES. In 2006, Sacramento's rocket-scientists enacted AB 32, imposing draconian restrictions on carbon dioxide emissions (yes, that's the stuff you exhale). They promised to save the planet from "global warming" and open a cornucopia of new jobs. Since then, California's unemployment rate has shot far beyond the national unemployment rate and the earth has continued to warm and cool as it has for billions of years. Prop 23 merely holds the Environmental Left to its promise: it suspends AB 32 until unemployment stabilizes at or below its pre-AB 32 level.

Prop 24: Because Taxes Just Aren't High Enough. NO. This is a predictable entry by the public employee unions to impose an additional $1.7 billion tax on businesses. The problem, of course, is that businesses don't pay business taxes – we do. Business taxes can only be paid in three ways: by us as consumers (through higher prices), by us as employees (through lower wages) and by us as investors (through lower earnings on our 401(k)'s).

Prop 25: Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire. NO. This changes the 2/3 vote requirement for the state budget to a simple majority – a reform I have long supported. Experience has shown that the current 2/3 vote requirement for the budget does not restrain spending and it utterly blurs accountability. But such a reform MUST repair the 2/3 vote requirement for all tax increases and restore constitutional spending and borrowing limits. Without these provisions, Prop. 25 would be a disaster for taxpayers and a recipe for bankruptcy.

Prop 26: Calling a Tax a Tax. YES. Under the infamous Sinclair Paint decision, virtually any tax may be increased by majority vote as long as it is called a "fee," gutting the 2/3 vote requirement in the state constitution to raise taxes. Prop. 26 rescinds Sinclair Paint, restores the Constitution, and calls a tax a tax.

Prop 27: OMG. NO. Want to go back to the days when politicians drew their own district lines, literally choosing their own voters? This will get us there.
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Progressive Voters Guide for the Propositions

They are opposite most of our positions :-)

http://courage.3cdn.net/c1b7275241cecdf596_hnm6b3h4s.pdf
PROP 23 INPUT 10/8/10

California Board Reportedly Overestimated Pollution by 340 Percent to Pass Landmark Air Standards

This 340% erroneous "estimate" helped create AB32. This is but one of three such errors reported. AB32 is therefore based on trumped up projections and is financial suicide for California

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/08/california-board-reportedly-ov...
Global Warming, Proposition 23, AB 32 and Jobs.

Global warming is a fact.
Global warming impacts human beings and may have devastating impact if the warming trend continues is a fact.
Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere contributes to heating the atmosphere and impacts global warming is a fact.
Carbon dioxide may not be the only reason why the Earth is warming, or the main reason, but cutting carbon dioxide releases into the atmosphere now is prudent, and fiscally-responsible. Not taking action is fiscally irresponsible, considering the magnitude of the risks that global warming poses.

The World needs to stop burning fossil fuels, which are nearly depleted and produce carbon dioxide emissions and other forms of air pollution. AB 32 promotes using less fossil fuels. AB 32 promotes the development of non-fossil fuel energy sources.

AB 32 will promote the creation of green jobs, and promote the invention of green technologies. California is a world leader in technological innovation. California can export the green technologies developed and implemented here in California. AB 32 will create green technology jobs and grow the California economy.

AB 32 is a Job Creator. Proposition 23 is not. The promoters of Proposition 23 try to confuse voters by linking Proposition 23 spuriously to job creation and an unemployment rate of 5.5%. The unemployment rate in California has exceeded 5% for over twenty years, and rarely slips below 5.5%. Proposition 23 – The Jobs Initiative is not about creating jobs. Proposition is about cancelling AB 32—which is widely supported by Californians. AB 32 has nothing to do with the current unemployment rate in California. The current high unemployment rate and state fiscal crisis is the legacy of Republican President George Bush Jr.

Prop 23: NO! This anti-environment proposition is primarily funded by two Texas oil industry giants: Valero and Tesoro. These Big Oil companies do not want competition from solar and wind power, seems to me, or any restrictions on carbon dioxide emissions. Valero and Tesoro are not investing in Prop 23 to create jobs in California. Shall we bless the meddling in California affairs by two out-of-state Big Oil companies by voting for Proposition 23, which nullifies environmental air quality AB 32? Shall we allow two out-of-state Big Oil companies to edit the California State Constitution?

Proposition 23 is an insult to California—Vote No on 23.

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Only in America could liberals talk about the greed of the rich at a $35,000 a plate campaign fund raising event.

We need to demythologize guns before the liberal attempt to create a totemic fear of them succeeds. If the gun control mentality promoting fear of guns themselves becomes our national mentality, we would turn the clock back to the days when a warrior class ruled over the people because only they had the confidence and expertise to deploy the means of defense and coercion. The gun control agenda will turn us into a people too timid to defend themselves from our would-be masters. – Alan Keyes

So now that there is a new tragedy the president wants to have a “national conversation on guns”. Here’s the thing. Until this national conversation is willing to entertain allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons, then it isn’t a conversation at all, it is a lecture. – Larry Correia'

During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai Stevenson: Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person! Stevenson called back: That's not enough, madam, we need a majority.

The economy is so bad, MSNBC had to lay off 300 Obama spokesmen. - Jay Leno

'Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

“What we’re watching here today is the equivalent of Woodward and Bernstein helping Nixon cover up Watergate,” he said. “The mainstream media is Woodward and Bernstein. Watergate is Benghazi. Except this time, Woodward and Bernstein are helping Nixon cover it up.”-- Russ Limbaugh

Lets see if I have this straight...Former President Bill Clinton ... who lied to his own wife... was convicted of perjury ... disbarred from practicing law in his home state... an admitted philanderer ... who "Never had sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" ... Impeached by the US House of Representatives ... is giving testimonials for Barrack Obama's character and intentions!!!???  Is this a great country or what!?

 "Thanking Obama for killing Bin Laden is like going into McDonalds and thanking Ronald McDonald for the hamburger. It's the guy cooking the burger that should get the credit, not the clown."

referring to 10-3-12 debate: "Obama made a lot of good points tonight. Unfortunately, most of them were for Romney." - Bill Maher, million dollar Obama donor

How can we stand up to someone that creates a 100 dollar Federal Reserve (FR) note for 2 cents and uses the face value of the note of 100 dollars to buy a 100 dollar U.S. Security where the government has to pay them 4% in interest at the end of the year? A yearly cost of 4 FR notes where it only cost the FR 2 cents to print.

This is the biggest Conspiracy you may ever encounter and this started sometime around 1913. Yes, your parents and their parents had so much of their time stolen from them at a cost of 2 pennies. And the National Debt is one big fraud. And this is not just in the United States but the whole world.- Steven Pattison

“Can you imagine a nation founded on the principles of God is being taken over by a party that despises God, denies God’s existence and wants to stab Israel in the back in order to support the Islamists who would kill the Jews and drive them out of the Middle East?”- - Michael Savage

"WE own this country, and when someone doesn't do the job "we have to let them go."- Clint Eastwood at RNC

"If you've got a business -- you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen”- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro

“Capital must protect itself in every possible way, both by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through the process of law, the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers. These truths are well known among our principal men who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance. It is thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished.”
- President American Bankers Association, 1924

"I think it is wonderful that Eric holder is making sure that Mexicans' second amendment rights are preserved!" - Bobby Florenz 

“My father was a hardcore conservative and a straight line Republican voter before he died. Now he votes Democrat.” (-Unknown)

Today, President Obama is calling for the same with the Buffett Rule.' Obama is under the mistaken impression that America's symbol is the bald ego." --The Wall Street Journal's James Taranto

 ‘In years to come there is going to be information that will come out that Obama was not the man who made the call. He can say he did and the people who really know what happened are inside the Pentagon, are in the military and the military isn’t allowed to speak out against the commander- in-chief so his secret is safe.’—Chris Kyle, former SEAL sniper

Remember just a few years ago when...

...the official unemployed was at 8.4 million instead of 12.4 million?

...the U.S. debt was at 9.5 trillion instead of 15.5 trillion?

...gas was $1.89 a gallon?

...the U.S. was friends with Isreal?

...food Stamp Recipients was at 29 million instead of 46 million?

...U.S. Astronauts didn't have to travel with Russians to go into space?

...our country's credit rating was a Triple AAA rating?

"Apparently, I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what Barack Obama does with mine."- David Burge

Rep. Randy Neugebauer put the burden into perspective: “It will take over 24 million man hours to comply with Dodd-Frank rules per year. It took only 20 million to build the Panama Canal.”

"Sixty-one percent of debt issued by the Treasury is bought by the Federal Reserve -- which is to say the left hand of the U.S. Government is lending money to the right hand of the US Government. ... Nonetheless, in a land where every mewling babe in the American nursery is born with a debt burden of just under $200,000, the president brags that only his party is 'compassionate' to have no plan whatsoever even to attempt to do anything about this, no way, no how, not now, not ever." --columnist Mark Steyn

Isn't it amazing how every facet of Sergeant Bales life,  high school, college, employment, why he left his employment, his brother’s employment, his wife’s employment, real estate holdings, a missed house payment , a missed promotion etc., is exposed within a week and the same fact finders can't find comparable info on the most powerful man in the world in three plus years ?

"We do not have a single document that proves Mr. Obama's birth in Hawaii or anywhere in the United States for that matter. The document is fake, the representation is fake.—Mike Zullo, Arpaio Posse Chief Investigator

" If they (SCOTUS destroy the Constitution, they will have destroyed that which created their positions." - Stewart Rhodes.

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, NOT to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." -- Abraham Lincoln

"Quick, name something that government does better than the private sector that doesn't involve detention, killing, or eliminating freedom." ----Bobby Florentz

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."---- Ronald Reagan (1911-2004) 40th US President


“The election of President Obama by the presidential electors, confirmed by Congress, makes the documents and testimony sought by plaintiff irrelevant,” Obama’s lawyer Jablonski said.

 

“The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.”
--Author Tom Clancy

 

But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace. "  

- Thomas Paine.

 

"Look, the Taliban, per se, is not our enemy.”

- VP Joe Biden
December 2011

 

"The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and for people, equally in war and peace, and it covers with its shield of protection all classes of men, at all times and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of men that any of its great provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government."

– Ex Parte Milligan (1866)

 

Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government ; and to declare expressly that the command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.
I remain, dear sir,
Your faithful friend and servant,

John Jay. 

 

Calling Ron Paul "out of the mainstream" is a double-edged sword, because it also means he can’t possibly be responsible for the condition of the country today. 

<!--[if !supportLists]-->-        - <!--[endif]-->Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

 

 A guy named Reggie Love leaving the White House to get a degree at the Wharton School of Business. I guess he realized you can't learn anything about economics in the Obama White House.

- Jay Leno

Laws and regulations which violate the Constitution are not obligatory upon any free man. 

(believed to be from George Washington.)

 

  “We’re at that awkward stage where it’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”

- Claire Wolf

 

Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the chairman of the National Transitional Council and de fact president, had already declared that Libyan laws in future would have Sharia, the Islamic code, as its "basic source".
-       The Telegraph (good job Barack!) 

 

Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent change inevitable     - Robert F. Kennedy

 

 "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -- Albert Einstein

  

The four boxes of LIBERTY:
1. soap
2. ballot
3. jury
4. ammo
.....in that order!

 

"The actual need for a service, its relevance and value is always subordinate to the bureaucracy. This is the difference from the private sector: you go into a shop, and the sales assistant asks, 'Can I be of assistance to you, sir?' You go into a government agency: 'Get to the back of the queue and wait until you are called!”'

-       Alistair Mcleod

 

 

 "Only Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different. His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me. The blunt poetry of his words. His unadorned insistence on respect. He promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline."  

– Barack Hussein Obama 

 

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

-Oscar Wilde

 

“Anyone with an Obama 2012 Bumper Sticker is a Threat to the Gene Pool”

Congressman Allen West

 

“The Only People Who Don’t Want to Disclose the Truth are Those with Something to Hide."

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro

 

"If it takes a village to raise your kid, you’re in the wrong country."

-  Seen by Tim Clack II

  

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro Soebarkah Bounel

  

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. " 

- Noam Chomsky

  

"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself." -

- Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro (we are, Barry)

 

"…whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force…"

Thomas Jefferson, Federal v. Consolidated Government

 

“Better to be paralyzed from the neck down than the neck up”

Charles Krauthammer.

 

"Sublata causa, tollitur effectus" (Remove the  cause and the effect will cease)

 "Civilization and anarchy are only seven meals apart"                          

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